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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

jfoster wrote: post #168
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... and perhaps legal liability for you, if it's involved in a crash or a passenger injury.

That wouldn't make much sense. Unless you were negligent in some way (modifications, maintenance not done, etc.), I would expect Tesla to be the liable party. The owner is just using a Tesla feature in the way the company intended.

Passenger claims that they severely sprained their ankle by tepping on a kid's toy as they got in. The claim is against the car owner, not Tesla.

In the case of Uber, the driver is there as a witness to dispute their account. In the Tesla case, nobody saw it.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by zild3d »

randomdata wrote: post #572
scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? I think we can apply the Pareto principle here. The car seems to work surprisingly well in ideal conditions, but probably doesn't in less than ideal ones (let's see it operating in a snow storm!). So, let's say that 80% of the work is done, leaving 20% to fix all the little edge cases that are bound to pop in the real wor…

Sure this can probably account for 80% of the general use cases, and surely the remaining 20% are the highly complex, low occurrence cases.

But I think saying this took 30 years is cheating a bit. There were fits and starts and long periods of no development until breakthroughs in other fields (machine learning) occured, which can now get us the rest of the way. Not to mention, the pareto principle doesn't account for Moore's law

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by mstolpm »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

My opinion might not be popular here, but when I studied computer science, there was a big discussion about the ethical aspects of our job. Especially, I had the opportunity to speak with Prof. Joseph Weizenbaum [1] a couple of times, who always remembered me that users don't know what we as programmers, technicians and scientists know about the limitations of a solution. So we have the duty to ensure that our solutions don't harm and don't fuel unreasonable expectations.

From the Wikipedia article [1] about Joseph Weizenbaum: "His influential 1976 book Computer Power and Human Reason displays his ambivalence towards computer technology and lays out his case: while Artificial Intelligence may be possible, we should never allow computers to make important decisions because computers will always lack human qualities such as compassion and wisdom."

So, asking "but what if ..." in a responsible way should always be a big part of any innovation. Just shouting "hey, we are hackers, lets innovate and be open" isn't always responsible.

As a bonus, there's a great archive [2] about Joseph Weizenbaum with audio and film clips for anyone interested. Most of the site and the documents are in german unfortunately, but some transcripts are available in english as well.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Weizenbaum [2] http://www.ilmarefilm.org/archive/weizenbaum_archiv.html

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by beefield »

rsync wrote: post #551
scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…

The math in the following image is not going to change regardless who is driving the car. If you want to have a city, you need to have public transport. If you want to have a suburban sprawl, that's another story.

http://www.boredpanda.com/space-required-to-transport-60-peo...

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by macNchz »

lost_name wrote: post #655
fnbr wrote: post #638

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> Isn't this hackernews?? This level of negativity is typical for HN. Look at what happened when dhouston announced Dropbox- the second comment was about how any Linux user can trivially replace it for themselves: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50... There's always people with something to say.

This is one of my favorite nuggets of internet history–also excellent because the thread ID (500) makes it easy to find since it'll redirect from: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/500.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by calvinbhai »

icebraining wrote: post #562
joaonunesk wrote: post #507

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that most of the established car companies are not thinking in the future. They become accommodate with the amount of cash they have on the hand, and they do not pursue innovation. Currently, Tesla is the only one who is delivering practical innovation and success!

Car companies have been developing this technology for longer than Tesla has even existed. Here's Mercedes in 2014: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RFzC_G5BA

True. But they add the hardware only if you pay for it up front.

Tesla has the hardware in every car it sells, and will be mining super useful data with all these sensors, and tweaking it's software (machine learning based on real use cases for a year) before it puts it out to the public! The scale of data mining that can be done with Tesla's approach is near impossible with other cars (if they continue to sell the cars with and without the sensory hardware)

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Post by artursapek »

aerovistae wrote: post #617
hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

Nobody would be developing mass-market self-driving cars right now if not for Musk.
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