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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jsingleton »

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

The UK is actually being quite progressive in this area. There are tests in Greenwich and Milton Keynes. The legislation is being looked at too.

You probably won't need to own one either, just hail one. So it may be very affordable.

I wrote a little more about this here: https://unop.uk/more-on-electric-vehicles

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Post by jazzyk »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

>That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7

With iPhone 1, people's lives were not at stake.

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Post by ghaff »

lost_name wrote: post #655
fnbr wrote: post #638

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't this hackernews?? This level of negativity is typical for HN. Look at what happened when dhouston announced Dropbox- the second comment was about how any Linux user can trivially replace it for themselves: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50... There's always people with something to say.

In all fairness, the initial iPods were nothing to write home about and, as I recall, iTunes didn't even run on anything except Macs--then a rather niche hardware platform. Of course, iPods improved relative to the competition but it was really the iTunes store and Apple's ability to fundamentally change how music was sold that really had the impact.

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Post by devy »

frik wrote: post #213
Animats wrote: post #99

More cameras. Better sonars (very short range). Better radar processing, but apparently the same old single radar at bumper height. Still no windshield-height radar. No radar scanning in elevation. No LIDAR. That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It's far below Google's sensor suite. Or Volvo's. Now they just have to write software smart enough to…

It's staggering that Tesla don't use LIDAR at all. Sure LIDAR is more expensive but the data quality is very stable and good. Cameras won't work that well or at all in night or when the sun rays blend in morning / evening or in bad weather conditions like heavy rain or snow. All other self-driving cars I know of have at least a small LIDAR beside several other types of sensors.

LIDAR's high cost[1] is prohibiting it from being commercialized. This article below was dated 2015 so price might have actually gone down a bit - but still a few orders of magnitude higher than cheap ultrasonic sensors and cameras.

This is actually common problem not only for Tesla. We won't see LIDAR in production cars (you will certainly see them in prototype cars as usual) until its cost drastically reduced

[1] http://articles.sae.org/13899/

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Post by calvinbhai »

bflesch wrote: post #451

Truly impressive. I wonder if the Model 3 will also be fitted out with all the sensors and cameras. If yes, I'll definitely get one. As a German citizen, it really bugs me that Volkswagen is incapable of this kind of innovation. I don't see their roadmap play out like they plan it, because Tesla might beat them to market hard. I fear German regulation will jump in (again) to help them against Tesla. Currently, the Ge…

Every TSLA will have the hardware fitted and on. Only if owner wants to use the feature, she pays upfront, or a little more if activating the feature later.

Other than being able to charge a premium for activating later why install it on all the cars? Tesla is basically using data from sensors that'd be in a Fully Autonomous Vehicle, driven by a human for at least a year. Thats a lot of free valuable data being collected for the cost of just the hardware installation!

Instead of doing all the testing and tweaking once car is street legal for test runs as an autonomous car, Tesla benefits from putting every single piece of hardware needed for its future as early as possible, just to mine this data gold.

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Post by bnycum »

I was thinking of this idea the other day when I came to an intersection where a stop sign had been hit. It was now bent in a way that faced the highway that did not have to stop. I was on a highway with no stop signs or lights for miles. What would the self driving car do in that situation? For both sides of the intersection.

Then I thought about another intersection by my old house. For years the cross street had to stop for traffic on the main street. One day I went to work, then I came home and it was all the sudden a 4-way stop. No database of stop signs could work either unless it was updated to the minute.

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Post by usaphp »

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

Car tells you that and you drive your car yourself until you clean it or remove the tape?

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Post by the_duke »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #614
V-2 wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Common" as in you that you get to see some every day and people don't bat an eyelid anymore? Or "common" as in being the majority of vehicles. My bet on the first one would be like 10-15 years, the other - 30+.

It's going to be slow until it happens in a rush, I think. There will be a tipping point where enough cars are self driving that it stops being a geeky add-on and starts being seen as a moral necessity. Roughly at the point where government statistics of manual versus self driving motor accident rates gain enough data to be comparable. There will be a huge public to-and-fro about negligence versus freedom, with drivi…

Yeah, once the technology stabilizes and the legal and regulatory frameworks have been established, there will be a big wave of adoption.

I predict that many in bigger cities will give up on owning their own car, and join car sharing services.

Then you can choose between a private car just for you, or a shared ride where the car optimizes routes and picks up multiple people.

Other benefits: it's just you? take a small 2 person car. On the way to a party with some friends? Get a nice Mercedes to drive you there. Need to transport some furniture? Get a pickup.

Of course this only holds for cities and densely populated suburban regions. Or if you don't have to drive long routes on a regular basis.

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Post by Angostura »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

> This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars!

... and if you look back at the launch of the iPhone you'll find the response is roughly the same. A healthy degree of scepticism.

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Post by exhilaration »

rasz_pl wrote: post #182
11thEarlOfMar wrote: post #7

> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…

Its not marketing decision, MobilEye dropped them, this is Teslas emergency plan.

What's the background to MobilEye dropping them? Any articles about this?
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