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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by striking »

spIrr wrote: post #533

From 00:50 to 01:10, why is the car driving in the left lane, when the right lane is clearly not turning? It's strange to see this behaviour as someone living in Germany, where you are supposed to, by default, drive in the right lane if you are not overtaking another car or there is a traffic jam... EDIT: also, did it turn into the wrong lane at 2:25-2:30? is this a security risk?

In the US, you're "supposed to" drive in the right or middle lanes, using the leftmost lane only to pass. Here's a map of the state laws as of 2010. (It's only necessary on highways and state routes, I think?) http://jalopnik.com/5501615/left-lane-passing-laws-a-state-b...

However, it's not a hard and fast rule, and a lot of people don't follow it. So I have to deal with morons who drive 5mph below the speed limit, in the left lane, on state routes. Every single day. As I drive up and down a decently large hill.

RE: Wrong lane: that Tesla driveway would be confusing to even a human driver. It's definitely not a regular road, so the car didn't understand it.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by adamweld »

Alupis wrote: post #629
dyarosla wrote: post #576

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see this pro cross-talk argument all the time... but wouldn't that leave open a big vulnerability for bad actors to send false data between cars and, if they should choose to, control multiple vehicles and cause collisions?

It's part of the growing myth that is "self driving cars". People seem to hand-wave and make up what these supposed future self driving cars will do - and worse, they hand-wave and assert they'll be objectively better at X than humans, without any evidence to backup the assertion. Self driving cars are made by fallible humans using fallible programming languages and constructs. They can't possibly account for every s…

It doesn't have to be infallibly. It only has to be a single order of magnitude better than any human driver, and most people will start using it.

How many other sectors have abandoned human interference after computers surpassed human performance?

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Post by RodericDay »

rsync wrote: post #551
scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…

Same. I'm really happy that, insofar there's cars, they're good. However, having lived in walkable cities, where the car is basically a specialty tool for moving furniture or going away to the country for the weekend, the idea of it becoming even more enmeshed into daily life is a grim prospect.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jsingleton »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

MVPs are of course great and I think this will be huge, but this is a safety critical piece of kit. There is a big difference between having your phone crash and having your car (literally) crash, into something solid.

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Post by lost_name »

fnbr wrote: post #638
hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

> Isn't this hackernews?? This level of negativity is typical for HN. Look at what happened when dhouston announced Dropbox- the second comment was about how any Linux user can trivially replace it for themselves: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

Just for fun, have a look at the comments about the iPod announcement: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apples-new-thing-ipod.50...

There's always people with something to say.

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Post by psyc »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

Randos casually dismissing the brilliant and highly accomplished? That's exactly Hacker News, in 2016.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by V-2 »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #614
V-2 wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Common" as in you that you get to see some every day and people don't bat an eyelid anymore? Or "common" as in being the majority of vehicles. My bet on the first one would be like 10-15 years, the other - 30+.

It's going to be slow until it happens in a rush, I think. There will be a tipping point where enough cars are self driving that it stops being a geeky add-on and starts being seen as a moral necessity. Roughly at the point where government statistics of manual versus self driving motor accident rates gain enough data to be comparable. There will be a huge public to-and-fro about negligence versus freedom, with drivi…

I think it's going to be a war of lobbies, with "traditional" automotive companies spreading FUD, and insurance companies pressuring for faster adoption.

It's worth mentioning - which I already hinted at in another comment - that self-driving cars, awesome as this is, will be yet another area where our privacy gets compromised, same as with mobile phones. This will push governments to favour it in the long run and eventually outlaw "regular" cars altogether as too anarchic (or make using them so expensive and cumbersome that it's going to amount to the same thing).

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Post by joelthelion »

Robin_Message wrote: post #581
pyb wrote: post #495

No bad, but it still needs to be taught to keep to the right. Unless this is how people normally drive in the US ?

In the US you stay in lane. Many other countries ban undertaking, but not the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overtaking#Legal_status_by_cou...

Having done both, the US system makes so much more sense. Less maneuvering means fewer potential accidents.

Even if undertaking is banned, you still need to check when switching lanes since people will undertake you no matter what. So there is no clear benefit.

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Post by randlet »

pyb wrote: post #495

No bad, but it still needs to be taught to keep to the right. Unless this is how people normally drive in the US ?

Yes, it's how people normally drive and it's very frustrating for those of us who understand why keeping to the right is better.

My experience driving in the UK, Netherlands, France & Germany suggests that citizens of those countries are much much more conscientious about driving etiquette than us North Americans.

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Post by blacksmythe »

ilaksh wrote: post #298
phreeza wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about the solid state LIDAR mentioned by the GP?

Needs to be mounted high up and then the car doesn't look cool anymore.

   >> then the car doesn't look cool anymore.
This doesn't look cool either:

    >> There are videos of three separate Tesla crashes where the Tesla plowed into a vehicle partially blocking a lane.
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