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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by visarga »

agumonkey wrote: post #375
danmaz74 wrote: post #232

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The big difference is that Google's car are actually self-driving themselves. Tesla's cars will collect a lot of data, but about human driving. The actual automated driving software will have to be tested separately.

True, but my point was more a scaling factor. Google can crank N amount of data with its small fleet, Tesla will be able to reach 10^5 N soon. If they're able to process it properly they may pass Google tests quickly.

I don't know if it's that easy. There are tons of images and text laying around, but research is focused on just a few datasets. Sometimes it's hard to make use of 100x more data.

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Post by tn_ »

This is very awesome and just one more step in moving towards a completely automated world. Everyone's commutes everyday is just a gold-mine of mostly unused data-points. There are solutions out there right now like Waze / Google Maps that'll redirect users around accidents. Can you imagine how crazy it'll be when our roads become even smarter based on individual users. For example, if there are people who "logged-in" to a road that enjoy driving faster, then this self-aware driving car can go in the lanes that avoid certain dangerous users.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by visarga »

patrickg_zill wrote: post #293
stmfreak wrote: post #272

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Humans manage with only two cameras.

Actually we also have very sophisticated direction finding sound processing, and tactile sensors on the wheel and seat plus proprioceptors (a trade secret that no at tesla has been able to reproduce). This allows for e.g. driving over snow and being able to process the sound of the snow as it is driven over as a hint to the rest of the driving system.

There's no reason why a microphone and an accelerometer would be hard to connect as input features. The car can make use of the same hints, and most probably make better use than even humans by learning to distinguish more informative patterns.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

DocTomoe wrote: post #295
Thimothy wrote: post #276

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Why aren't other manufacturers following this model? I've seen 12-year Mercedes with internet connection, so the infrastructure has been there for a while.

Noone wants to have the first headline of "Massive multideath accident involving kindergardeners caused by software glitch" attached to their brand. Particularily not German carmakers who both emphasize how pleaseant and exciting it is to manually drive their vehicles ("Fahrvergnügen", "Vorsprung durch Technik", "Freude am Fahren"), but also use passenger safety as a major selling point.

Not sure why you're getting down voted. Car makers have to be very careful here and the older car makers understand this. They know NBC is just chomping at the bit for bloody news to headline. Move fast and break things doesn't work for an industry that has had to prove how safe it is. Do _any_ of the down voters even know who Ralph Nader is?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

tn_ wrote: post #422

This is very awesome and just one more step in moving towards a completely automated world. Everyone's commutes everyday is just a gold-mine of mostly unused data-points. There are solutions out there right now like Waze / Google Maps that'll redirect users around accidents. Can you imagine how crazy it'll be when our roads become even smarter based on individual users. For example, if there are people who "logged-in…

Except with a completely automated society, there won't be any reason to commute.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by MarkMc »

emp_zealoth wrote: post #352
irq11 wrote: post #345

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"I think you're underestimating how quickly Tesla'a AI software can improve" Do you have any basis for that statement, other than that you like Elon Musk, and read an article about "big data" once? I have actual experience in this field. The parent is right: the sensors matter more than hypothetical gains from "big data". Because right now, sensors suck . There's a reason every serious player in this game is plopping…

I feel sad that actual sensible responses on HN are now downvoted mercilessly because they are not aboard the hype train/zeitgeist What irq11 has said is valid and important. You cannot just handwave actual engineering problems with some buzzwords

Perhaps irq11 was downvoted because of his/her belittling tone rather than the substance of his/her argument.

It's valid and important to say, "I have experience in this field and sensor quality will always be more important than a suite of regression tests, no matter how large".

It's not valid and important to say, "You're just saying that because you like Elon Musk, and read an article about 'big data' once"

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Post by petra »

jayjay71 wrote: post #225
Animats wrote: post #216

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Google is at stage 3 and getting close to stage 4 for slow ( At higher speeds, prediction becomes more of an issue. Will that car on the side street drive into the intersection, or not? At slow speeds, you can wait and see what they do. At higher speeds, you have to predict behavior. That's hard, but a machine learning problem.

This is with the caveat that the weather is nice and you're in one of Google's specially mapped areas. As I understand it - and I never worked at Google and I keep waiting for someone who does to correct me on it - those maps are very difficult to scale and maintain.

The limited area/weather isn't a huge problem.commercially . You just need to start offering it in a single city when possible, prove the tech and business works , and than you could get tons of money to scale to other cities .

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

mparlane wrote: post #3

How sure are they that this hardware revision is going to be what is required? I feel like at any point in time you can make an assumption about the hardware requirements to only discover in future that you could have actually done it with just a software update if the CPU had one more core. They'd have to be pretty sure this HW rev would meet their future demands for self-driving right ?

Um, this is what we in the tech industry do ALL the time. We can only use _existing_ technology. We can't see into the future, so we do our best to choose HW/SW based on our _current_ understanding of the problems we are solving. If they weren't "sure" based on their current understanding of the problem, then they surely wouldn't be placing this in their vehicles.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

imtringued wrote: post #302
brianwawok wrote: post #101

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Software switch fee. You get the same hardware, different feature flag. Crazy right?

How is that different from buying software for a computer? I can install a linux distribution or buy windows. It's the same hardware, different "feature flag". Somehow that's not crazy.

I don't follow your analogy. I'm not sure this qualifies as a feature flag.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by rayiner »

teebot wrote: post #366
flexie wrote: post #301

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"Data collection that would take years can happen in weeks" I think that we are talking days, not weeks, or probably that Teslas can have multiple teams testing various hardware and algorithms at the same time: Tesla plans on producing 500k cars per year from 2018. If all of them have this equipment, and they drive a conservative 10k miles per year in average, Tesla will gather data from 5 billion miles driven after…

I don't know if any amount of data collection and model refinement will allow self driving in ALL situations. We always see self driving demos in California on very large roads, I'd like to see one in a small crowded street of Napoli or on a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh.

I'd settle for a test drive in downtown DC where roads get shut down at random, one-say streets switch directions throughout the day, etc.
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