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Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by Benjamin_Dobell »

goatherders wrote: post #165
tracker1 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will usually just flat out ask up front.. and if it's a cagey response, I'll kindly decline.

I usually decline to interview people that ask my recruiter too early about salary. We work hard to post very clear job descriptions and requirements so if you read it and apply and get through the initial screening, then that's a pretty good indicator that we are in range on salary even if we've never discussed it.

Undoubtedly you're turning away the best candidates and almost exclusively interviewing candidates whom have extreme difficulty finding work elsewhere; so much so that the applicants value their own time so poorly that they believe it worthwhile to interview for a job which may not meet their personal financial requirements. I'd strongly suggest you change your practices and observe the improved calibre of interviewees.

EDIT: Also, if you really want good candidates, stop using a recruiter.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by scribu »

goatherders wrote: post #165
tracker1 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will usually just flat out ask up front.. and if it's a cagey response, I'll kindly decline.

I usually decline to interview people that ask my recruiter too early about salary. We work hard to post very clear job descriptions and requirements so if you read it and apply and get through the initial screening, then that's a pretty good indicator that we are in range on salary even if we've never discussed it.

How exactly does passing through the initial screening make for a good indicator on salary range match?

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by dylanfw »

messel wrote: post #144
bbcbasic wrote: post #98

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If enough people use ad blockers I think they should just make ignoring files and divs with "ad" in their name part of the HTML specification.

Hah! This is great. "Wait all descriptors containing the letters 'ad' are ignored?" "Madness." "This is HTML!"

> "Madness."

Blocked by ad blocker.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by sharemywin »

goatherders wrote: post #165
tracker1 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will usually just flat out ask up front.. and if it's a cagey response, I'll kindly decline.

I usually decline to interview people that ask my recruiter too early about salary. We work hard to post very clear job descriptions and requirements so if you read it and apply and get through the initial screening, then that's a pretty good indicator that we are in range on salary even if we've never discussed it.

When ever I see a posting with out a range I figure they're just trying to hire someone they just aren't willing to pay for. They think they're going to wow someone with their great culture and/or the awesome technology their working on. Good luck on that.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by sharemywin »

pjc50 wrote: post #140
s_kilk wrote: post #132

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(To the OP) Maybe change "ads" to "posts" globally in the frontend? Adblockers are are always going to block anything called "ads", even if it's a legit component of your site

I suppose it's a philosophical question: if you go to a job ads site, and the adblocker blocks it, is that really unexpected behavior? :)

That's one of those cases where you can be right and broke or cave.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by awesomerobot »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #170
ptero wrote: post #164

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Just my 2c -- I'm in the US and I disagree. For example, many of the jobs allow for a very broad experience. For example, in my current job, we are often looking for a smart, energetic people to work on X. Someone with a BS just out of college? An engineer with 10 years of matching experience? Tech lead wo just built X elsewhere? We will take either (if we like them) and adjust responsibilities instead. This approach…

What the hell is wrong with posting a wide salary range and stating you are looking at all sorts of people then? We're trying to prevent people wasting their time chatting to people when the remuneration will never be sufficient.

Honest question: Is a salary range of $50 - $100k really valuable to you as a job seeker?

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by brightball »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #170
ptero wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just my 2c -- I'm in the US and I disagree. For example, many of the jobs allow for a very broad experience. For example, in my current job, we are often looking for a smart, energetic people to work on X. Someone with a BS just out of college? An engineer with 10 years of matching experience? Tech lead wo just built X elsewhere? We will take either (if we like them) and adjust responsibilities instead. This approach…

What the hell is wrong with posting a wide salary range and stating you are looking at all sorts of people then? We're trying to prevent people wasting their time chatting to people when the remuneration will never be sufficient.

Because the second you post a wide salary range, people assume they are going to land on the mid-upper end of it no matter what the range is. If somebody lands on the lower end of it, they are going to feel slighted or insulted for just about all cases aside from new grads.

If I post a salary range of $50,000-$150,000 most people are going to look at it and decide that it probably pays $100,000-120,000. If somebody applies for that job and you offer them $60,000-70,000 they are going to be insulted just by the offer because of how much was left on the table (even if it's a perfectly good salary for the job).

Nobody wants to hear they are on the lower end of anything. That's why most people view themselves as "middle class".

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by BrandonM »

ptero wrote: post #164
b212 wrote: post #135

Can you do another good deed and require your posters to include salary range in their job ads? It's the norm in the UK and we successfully forced this in Poland (though posters almost NEVER post salaries here). How? The companies need IT staff so much that almost all IT job boards (at least the most popular ones - like FB groups or https://nofluffjobs.com ) started requiring the salary range. I think your idea is pr…

Just my 2c -- I'm in the US and I disagree. For example, many of the jobs allow for a very broad experience. For example, in my current job, we are often looking for a smart, energetic people to work on X. Someone with a BS just out of college? An engineer with 10 years of matching experience? Tech lead wo just built X elsewhere? We will take either (if we like them) and adjust responsibilities instead. This approach…

How does that apply in this case, in a job posting for "old geeks"?
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