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Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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post #24

This article seems terrible and confused and thinks it makes a point about terms by clearly not understanding the point of any of them. I'm pretty sure the author has never read a word Richard Stallman wrote.

I posted the article for a good debate, which I seem to succeed. Though I'm not the author and we don't share positions, I've never read an article by RMS either, only about him, and attended a lecture by him. So please, recommend a good article by Richard, which relates to this article!

The JavaScript Trap — https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html.

Who Does That Server Really Serve? — https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-s....

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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post #25

The author has a decent opening point about how we Free Software Enthusiasts need to be aware of the world in which regular people are computing, otherwise we'll never be able to reach them. If my understanding of history is correct, the GNU utilities were better than the proprietary UNIX ones: they had sensible defaults, or better features, or DWIMmmy behaviour (`find` instead of `find .`, anyone?). GNU basically pu…

Actually it was all about the money.

As long as developer tools were available for free (as beer) on UNIX, no one cared about GNU.

GCC was largely ignored until the day SUN decided to split Solaris developer tools into a commercial SDK, and other UNIX vendors followed along.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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post #28

As opposed to any aspect of web development, UNIX has the nice feature of being somewhat well-designed. If we're going to try to make a universal content platform, we should at least wait until someone does a good job of it. Javascript and HTML are really poor choices for the majority of tasks.

> UNIX has the nice feature of being somewhat well-designed.

Some people would disagree.

http://www.vbcf.ac.at/fileadmin/user_upload/BioComp/training...

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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This could lead somewhere, but I think he's shooting himself in the foot by dissing vi and emacs. That's like telling a developer his girlfriend is ugly and then trying to sell him something.

I'm tempted to say you have the wrong idea about developers' relations to their editors, but then, you probably have the wrong idea about girlfriends. I mean, you are objectifying girlfriends. Anyway cli programs could just as well run in the browser, etc.

If we were talking about anything other than vim or emacs, then yeah you'd probably be right.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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- I like my files stored where I have access to them and no one else does (local filesystem storage) - I like being able to share files with other people, when I choose to (Dropbox, GDrive, et al, possibly in an encrypted compression format) - I like instant installation. I dislike software changing under me without my control, being forced to trial-and-error my way through browser choice, not knowing which build of…

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Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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This could lead somewhere, but I think he's shooting himself in the foot by dissing vi and emacs. That's like telling a developer his girlfriend is ugly and then trying to sell him something.

Not all developers are found of vi and emacs.

Re: Modern Web 101: From Free Software Fetishism to Free Web

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post #25

The author has a decent opening point about how we Free Software Enthusiasts need to be aware of the world in which regular people are computing, otherwise we'll never be able to reach them. If my understanding of history is correct, the GNU utilities were better than the proprietary UNIX ones: they had sensible defaults, or better features, or DWIMmmy behaviour (`find` instead of `find .`, anyone?). GNU basically pu…

>If Free Software "fights for the users", then it needs to go to where the users are, and that's the web.

To what extent?

Just because a mass of users are somewhere, doesn't make that environment the right place for free software. But I'm not saying it's a wrong place. But it's not the only possible place. A popular environment might be by its nature unsuitable for free software, and free software developers would be mistaken to compromise their development by wholeheartedly embedding themselves on that platform.

What concerns me about the web:

- the trend has been a move toward centralisation, content silos

- DRM in the spec now (EME)

- bloated by necessity (as browsers need backward-compatibility)

- it's hacky, as a document-retrieval system retrofitted into an application platform

- people think it's beyond criticism, probably because of the notion that it's The One Open alternative to iOS/Android ...

(cf. https://www.christianheilmann.com/2016/10/05/can-we-stop-bad...)

Despite all that, I still like the Web and want it to continue existing. And if I want a better system, I need to put my money where my mouth is and work on helping something else become a real practical alternative...

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