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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by toomuchtodo » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:33 AM UTC

femto wrote: post #151

serge2k wrote: post #111

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Nah, the other companies will slap them on too. People need to fight this BS.

Cue Stallman. This is precisely the motivation for GNU software. How long before GNU (or other prxoy) has an autonomous driving project? Part of the issue is that the dataset is as important as the software. First step would seem to be the construction of a "GNU" hardware pack for autonomous driving and people start driving around with it mounted on their cars, gathering (GPL'd) data.

I'd rather lease a fully autonomous Tesla out in the next 2-3 years in a ridesharing fleet, not wait 5-10 years for an open source version.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by foobarian » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:33 AM UTC

kpao wrote: post #108

PacketPaul wrote: post #69

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Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Pilot here as well, unfortunately, it's a fight that won't be easy to win. If in the mind of people, Autopilot means self driving. It's going to be hard to change the global perception. When I'm using the Autopilot, I feel like I'm in my airplane, always on guard, and in a practice of recovery from unusual attitude in flight. There are a few times also where being an engineer has helped a lot. You can pretty much pre…

Agree with parent. Unfortunately for your profession "Airplane!" the movie ruined the perception. When I read "autopilot" I think robot guy driving airplane without any intervention meaning I can sleep from takeoff to landing.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jfoster » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:37 AM UTC

jayjay71 wrote: post #149

maratd wrote: post #146

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> That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. All you have is two overlapping cameras with poor resolution and they let you behind the wheel, right? This is a software and processing hardware problem only . Human beings drive OK for the most part and we don't have lidar/radar/sonar/etc. With 8 cameras providing 360 vision and an advanced NVIDIA hardware suite, this problem is entirely solvable and this is a very re…

In theory, sure. But you're effectively saying computers have to process vision as well as humans, which some experts think is comparable to solving AI. I'm not saying Tesla won't make a lot of progress, but considering how many decades of research has gone into this very problem (I worked on it at Carnegie Mellon as a graduate student, and they've been doing it since the 80's) it will likely take longer than most pe…

I think you must mean that you don't know an academic expert who thinks we're close. The teams at Tesla must think it's achievable in the next few years.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dogma1138 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:41 AM UTC

ClassyJacket wrote: post #157

dogma1138 wrote: post #41

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>I can't think of a precedent for this as a marketing approach in modern consumer products. Apple iOS ;) the iPhone 7 had (don't know if it has now) some camera features (autofocus and raw related) disabled that were present on the 6/6s because of software limitations. This isn't that uncommon many times you can have a new product which comes with some features disabled/not working because the software did not catch…

Can you provide a source? I've followed the iPhone 7 pretty closely, own one, and haven't heard of any of these missing camera features that were present on the 6S (just the headphone jack).

Yes for example the autofocus for portrait mode for the 7 Plus was introduced with 10.1 http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/138914-iphone-7-plus-owners-...

There were also another thing or 2 that came in 10.3 iirc.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by lawpoop » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:43 AM UTC

nojvek wrote: post #152

kpao wrote: post #108

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Pilot here as well, unfortunately, it's a fight that won't be easy to win. If in the mind of people, Autopilot means self driving. It's going to be hard to change the global perception. When I'm using the Autopilot, I feel like I'm in my airplane, always on guard, and in a practice of recovery from unusual attitude in flight. There are a few times also where being an engineer has helped a lot. You can pretty much pre…

Have a RAV4 2016 SE. Great car, sonars and cameras everywhere but still very stupid driving at times. I don't mind it, because it keeps me alert to take over at moments notice. I really want to hack the can bus and give it more smarts. What is the legality of that?

So what is the benefit of this sort of autopilot? It sounds like it's driving except without going through the motions.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jfoster » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:43 AM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #121

PacketPaul wrote: post #69

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Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator. Ask 99 out of 100 people who aren't pilots, but who might be Tesla customers, and see if they can recite what you wrote below: While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with th…

Shouldn't what matters be how many people become actual Tesla owners using autopilot without realising this? For that metric, I suspect the answer is much closer to 0.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Tempest1981 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:46 AM UTC

thesimon wrote: post #70

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

Do you think that a) Tesla may want to enter that market on their own, or b) Tesla is worried that use in that market may sully their reputation if problems arise?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jfoster » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:46 AM UTC

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #123

jfoster wrote: post #118

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That was already confirmed. https://www.tesla.com/blog/master-plan-part-deux "You will also be able to add your car to the Tesla shared fleet just by tapping a button on the Tesla phone app and have it generate income for you while you're at work or on vacation"

... and perhaps legal liability for you, if it's involved in a crash or a passenger injury.

That wouldn't make much sense. Unless you were negligent in some way (modifications, maintenance not done, etc.), I would expect Tesla to be the liable party. The owner is just using a Tesla feature in the way the company intended.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ams6110 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:47 AM UTC

ClassyJacket wrote: post #156

ams6110 wrote: post #131

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Your average car driver gets a few weeks of training at age 15 or 16 and a cursory written test. What does a pilot get?

Wow what country are you in where you only get a few weeks of training? It's a year+ in Australia.

USA.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ams6110 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:50 AM UTC

jfoster wrote: post #163

jayjay71 wrote: post #149

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In theory, sure. But you're effectively saying computers have to process vision as well as humans, which some experts think is comparable to solving AI. I'm not saying Tesla won't make a lot of progress, but considering how many decades of research has gone into this very problem (I worked on it at Carnegie Mellon as a graduate student, and they've been doing it since the 80's) it will likely take longer than most pe…

I think you must mean that you don't know an academic expert who thinks we're close. The teams at Tesla must think it's achievable in the next few years.

Or they want you to think that.