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How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Short version: banker provides liquidity to the markets and buys up junk bonds from panicked sellers at 40 cents on the dollar. Banker then sells the bonds for more money as the panic dissipates. Some people wonder if important banks like GS should still be making volatile bets like this.

GS seams to run fairly tight shop I doubt they take very large unhedged positions.

Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Like the article says, it's very hard to distinguish between market making and prop trading. Especially in illiquid stuff like corporate bonds, the MM needs to hold positions for extended durations, so they have a valid excuse to not be closed down entirely by Volcker. The real reason they make all that money is flow. The guy on a desk like that knows what customers are calling, what they're concerned about, roughly…

Market making is inherently prop trading - the firm's capital is at risk - unless trades are paired or hedged immediately. For thinly traded stuff that may take a while to unload, it is just prop trading.

I personally think Banks should be incredibly boring utilities. But that ship sailed a long time ago.

Lots of great stuff was thrown out the window in January. My winning bet for the year was to start buying EWC (ishares Canada) during the market lows.

You say "and the mood these days is like a morgue". Please elaborate.

Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Short version: banker provides liquidity to the markets and buys up junk bonds from panicked sellers at 40 cents on the dollar. Banker then sells the bonds for more money as the panic dissipates. Some people wonder if important banks like GS should still be making volatile bets like this.

Buy low sell high

Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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because of Jews.

Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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The market making exemption of the Volcker Rule is based on RENTD - Reasonably Expected Near Term Demand. So Goldman has to prove that this was the case for the high yield bonds. Proving this could be quite tricky though - because they have to factor in a whole lot of parameters (market maturity, depth, liquidity, product holding periods, macro-economic outlook and the trading desk's estimation of client demand). But…

Yeah - given the size and market environment during the trade, I'd imagine there were many people looking over trader shoulders to keep everything legit. Someone is going to have a nice Xmas.

Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Short version: banker provides liquidity to the markets and buys up junk bonds from panicked sellers at 40 cents on the dollar. Banker then sells the bonds for more money as the panic dissipates. Some people wonder if important banks like GS should still be making volatile bets like this.

GS has about 90 bln in total equity and nearly a trillion dollars in total assets.

100m sounds high but 100m is a rounding error especially if spread across 100s or even 1000s of trades.

Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Short version: banker provides liquidity to the markets and buys up junk bonds from panicked sellers at 40 cents on the dollar. Banker then sells the bonds for more money as the panic dissipates. Some people wonder if important banks like GS should still be making volatile bets like this.

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Re: How One Goldman Sachs Trader Made More Than $100M

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Short version: banker provides liquidity to the markets and buys up junk bonds from panicked sellers at 40 cents on the dollar. Banker then sells the bonds for more money as the panic dissipates. Some people wonder if important banks like GS should still be making volatile bets like this.

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