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Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by LinuxBender »

dajohnson89 wrote: post #120

Does anyone have any ideas how likely this will actually become law? Crazy laws get proposed here in America all the time. From what I've seen by watching the Prime Minister's questions every now and then, lots of far-fetched proposals are made across the pond as well. But they never get far, and not worth getting bothered about.

Very unlikely. Websites run by small companies will not implement something unless they must do so to accept a payment.

An example of this was the ICRA/PICS labeling system. Super easy to implement and self-regulate and hardly anyone implemented it.

Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by wildmusings »

mobiuscog wrote: post #148
wildmusings wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The government" in a parliamentary system, in this context, refers to what we would call "the administration" in the US, i.e. the Prime Minister and his ministers. And almost by definition, the government controls a majority in parliament ("almost" because it is possible to have a minority government) and has a high likelihood of passing its agenda. But the proposed laws do change a lot as they go through consultati…

And we have the House of Lords, which ... well, let's just say it's not really like anything else.

As archaic as it sounds on paper, it's the best functioning upper house in the world. It provides actual substantive research into government policy, and a temporary restraint on changing long-time status quo, being able to delay legislation but not stop it altogether. I really hope you guys don't change it any more.

Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by nightspirit »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #176
marketanarchist wrote: post #11

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If you want to shelter your child from certain sites or content, that is your problem. Take responsibility for your own family, don't ask the entire world to change and give away our freedoms because of your laziness/ineptitude.

Do you realise that children become adults and that ignoring problems faced by other people's children means your ignoring what will become the whole world's problems. If the internet fucks up everyone's kids except your own then your own kids still have to live in that world. The idea that future generations are individual families private problems is an insidious wrong. We're in the world together and where possess…

Internet won't fuck up your children half as much as your intolerance of reality and their feelings will.

Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by Bartweiss »

EvilTerran wrote: post #144
Bartweiss wrote: post #116

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In this case, every site they can identify. Broadly, UK law is restricted to UK companies for material which is illegal to post . So libelous sites hosted outside the country aren't censored, because the libel isn't 'located' in the UK (yes, this is a tortured analysis). But the UK has more recently established a China-style firewall that restricts access to sites hosted anywhere, based on where you view from. Origin…

Point of fact: the UK's internet filter was originally implemented about a decade ago, to block child pornography. And (to borrow your turn of phrase) at the time, everyone swore "it's just the child pornography, there will never be a slippery slope!" ... then, as of a couple of years ago, they started using it to block torrent sites. So it goes.

Ah... it appears the first step happened before I was up on the issue. Shame, that's even more dishonest than I thought.

Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by DanBC »

darklajid wrote: post #136
DanBC wrote: post #131

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> Is that a real problem though? Yes. I search for children's content on Youtube. Youtube returns children's content. We click to play, and I get a pre-roll ad for a horror film, or alcohol, or gambling. An iOS app advertises itself as suitable for ages 4+. It contains ads. Those ads are sometimes for gambling, or alcohol services. I'd say that app isn't suitable for children, and the uk regulator is looking at that.

Wait, but is that related to the proposal? Not my native language and all, but I thought this is basically age-gating .. porn sites. If you have a random app (unrelated, not a porn site) showing ads (unrelated unless a porn site) of alcohol services (not sure what that is, but .. unrelated/not porn), how does this apply? How would you age-gate ads? Wouldn't that require a new X-KID-PRESENT: 1 http header so that each…

> How would you age-gate ads?

They currently are age-gated. The age gating clearly isn't working. Advertisers in the UK are not allowed to target children with alcohol or gambling ads.

I don't care how it happens, but showing alcohol ads to children in apps for children because the parent has a credit card and owns the phone is sub-optimal.

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Post by [deleted] »

pmlnr wrote: post #130
Shanea93 wrote: post #86

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This would require international coordination of laws in many different territories. What if I just type in "31.192.120.36", the current public IP of www.pornhub.com?

Depending on the underlying webserver and web sw, it may or may not load. ( think of apache virtualhosts and nginx server names )

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Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by DanBC »

cloakandswagger wrote: post #183
rrobukef wrote: post #160

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Because I don't want my son to think that drinking is considered something he should do without knowing limits (although there are warnings, he can't read). Because gambling is a designer addiction and I don't want him to install such an app before he can know the consequences of his actions. But mostly because I don't want him waking up at night screaming from nightmares. I like my dearly won sleep.

Do you understand how selfish you sound, or has the magic of parenthood vaporized all of your self-awareness? You made the choice to have a child. You made the choice to entertain them with YouTube. The possibility of them seeing an advertisement for alcohol (my goodness! Your son will turn into a tattooed hooligan in a week!) is not sufficient reason for handing the internet over to state censorship. In short, stop…

You don't seem to understand the context: In the UK internet advertising is already censored, and has been for some years.

In the UK advertisers are forbidden from advertising alcohol to children.

Here's the regulators page for adverts aimed at children: https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot-Topics/Children-an...

Here's their page for adverts about alcohol (note that some of those ads were online): https://www.asa.org.uk/News-resources/Hot-Topics/Alcohol.asp...

There's currently a gap in regulation. App makers have apps targeted at children (and with an age range of eg 4+); those apps carry ads; those ad networks use information about the phone owner to decide the age suitability of ad.

This loophole is likely to close in 2017 or 2018

Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by DanBC »

nightspirit wrote: post #181
rrobukef wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I don't want my son to think that drinking is considered something he should do without knowing limits (although there are warnings, he can't read). Because gambling is a designer addiction and I don't want him to install such an app before he can know the consequences of his actions. But mostly because I don't want him waking up at night screaming from nightmares. I like my dearly won sleep.

The less you talk about drinking the more he'll hide it from you. Ditto with gambling and sex. My parents talked about everything besides sex and I never drank or gambled in excess. And I'll leave this post at that.

Have you ever spoke to someone dependent on alcohol? Because the vast majority of those people say that they were brought up around alcohol.

I'm not trying to say that it causes alcoholism. I'm just responding to someone dumping a useless anecdote.

Re: UK Government proposes porn-viewing ID

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Post by nightspirit »

dintech wrote: post #96

Government, this is VPN. VPN, meet government. You guys aren't going to get along but I thought you should know about each other.

VPN hosting country, these are drones. Drones, meet the VPN host country...

Or heck, just strong-arm them into adopting think-of-the-children laws one way or another.

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