Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say • Hacker News Board

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by usaphp » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:22 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #77

usaphp wrote: post #69

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> "Not only that, but the US has already said Russia is behind those attacks; it would actually harm their argument if they built a giant PR campaign" Did not US said that Iraq had a weapon of mass destruction and invaded them with a huge PR campaign?

It was not my claim that the US doesn't run PR campaigns, just that the one you propose doesn't make sense.

You whole argument is based on what US said and that they would not lie because it would ruin their PR campaign. US can say whatever they want so do Russia, but so far none of them showed any proof that hackers were sponsored by Russian gov.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by PerfectDlite » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:22 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #69

tptacek wrote: post #50

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People can imagine all sorts of things, but the US already has solid evidence that Russia is behind a number of US hacks. Not only that, but the US has already said Russia is behind those attacks; it would actually harm their argument if they built a giant PR campaign around this dude, because it would call into question the previous attribution. I can imagine this going like this: 1. They extradite this guy to the U…

> "Not only that, but the US has already said Russia is behind those attacks; it would actually harm their argument if they built a giant PR campaign" Did not US said that Iraq had a weapon of mass destruction and invaded them with a huge PR campaign?

And Iraq actually had weapons of mass desctruction.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by ddorian43 » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:24 PM UTC

ommunist wrote: post #86

hanklazard wrote: post #66

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Both were dictators who killed millions. Seems like a reasonable comparison.

Add Sir Winston Churchill to the list. He is personally responsible for death of millions of Bengali people.

We don't count them.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by missbit » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:28 PM UTC

Is hacking really a crime? If your computer was secure, then the hacker could not hack. So.. who's fault is it?

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by detaro » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:30 PM UTC

missbit wrote: post #94

Is hacking really a crime? If your computer was secure, then the hacker could not hack. So.. who's fault is it?

If your house were secure, the burglar couldn't have gotten in and stolen your stuff. or stabbed you. So... who's fault is it?

(There is a whole other can of worms regarding what counts as "hacking" and what doesn't, but without knowing what the "hacker" actually did we can't really discuss it in this case)

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by transfire » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:30 PM UTC

Never mind that the material this (allegedly) hacker exposed indicates rampant collusion and fraud that undermine the U.S. election system. Nope, that doesn't matter. The important thing is to stop the dissemination of the truth.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by GauntletWizard » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:33 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #87

palunon wrote: post #80

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Well, both are dictators responsible for the death of millions of people for political and ethnic reasons. They are perfectly comparable. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-... http://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/

The second link that you posting is complete nonsense, it gives an estimate from 1.2 million to 20 million... that's ridiculous estimate, like poking into sky. And then they use the higher end of scale to compare it to other dictators. Stalin was in power for around 25 years, saying that he killed 20 million people during that time, it means he was killing about a million every year, or 3000 people every day, how is…

The same way Hitler did it - Massive bureaucracy, declaring large swaths as non-persons. Much of it was done indirectly - The upper bounds of those numbers attribute certain large famines as being politically motivated or blame Stalin for deaths caused by mismanagement, but even conservatively, he ordered millions of people forcibly resettled into areas that were not productive, and then failed to feed them. He sent hundreds of thousands to prisons in Siberia for political crimes - Not personally, but by setting up the system so that those were crimes and the whims of his secret police were followed.

Hitler never killed anyone - If you're talking about holding the gun. Hilter still had blood on his hands, and Stalin had more.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by DblPlusUngood » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:34 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #89

knowaveragejoe wrote: post #83

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I'd love to hear your reasoning why the comparison is so wildly incorrect that it earns this response.

Would you put George bush in that comparison? Or we already forgot how hundreds of thousand people died during invasion of Iraq for clear political reasons?

You are addressing criticisms of Stalin with a logical fallacy called "whataboutism".

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by lostlogin » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:37 PM UTC

usaphp wrote: post #87

palunon wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, both are dictators responsible for the death of millions of people for political and ethnic reasons. They are perfectly comparable. http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-... http://historyofrussia.org/stalin-killed-how-many-people/

The second link that you posting is complete nonsense, it gives an estimate from 1.2 million to 20 million... that's ridiculous estimate, like poking into sky. And then they use the higher end of scale to compare it to other dictators. Stalin was in power for around 25 years, saying that he killed 20 million people during that time, it means he was killing about a million every year, or 3000 people every day, how is…

Through devastating policy causing starvation which was part of a broader picture of genocide. By running gulags which basically worked inmates to death and through assassinations and murder. The information isn't hard to find, but the book reviewed below is a great history. www.theguardian.com/books/2003/jul/20/biography.features

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by Kalium » Wed, Oct 19, 2016, 5:39 PM UTC

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #70

tptacek wrote: post #45

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I'm not following. Extradition has been an international norm since before the US even existed. We signed our first extradition treaty in the 1700s.

Russia and the US are going to bicker over who gets this person, as the article makes clear and you've alluded to. This is just one of many conflicts between both nations that could have far-reaching political consequences. I'm not sure what's more difficult to follow here? I'm not predicting a specific outcome (or worse, detailing some conspiracy theory); I'm just stating that there's a significant potential for bad…

There's going to be no bickering. Russia is going to insist as loudly as they can that this is illegitimate, and everyone else is going to largely ignore an extradition in line with international norms.