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Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by divbyzer0 »

bduerst wrote: post #30
divbyzer0 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlikely to be him, he tweeted last night. The person referred to in the article was arrested a few days ago.

They're not sure if Guccifer 2.0 is one person or a hacking group. Many independent security firms have said it's associated with two Russian intelligence agencies.

Good point. I'm just not sure Russia would perform potentially delicate operations from an EU and NATO member state.

Also, not sure if all of this recent hacking is in fact leaking by persons within affected organisations. In the case of the DNC hack, I think it quite plausible to be a disgruntled employee.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by trendia »

eveningcoffee wrote: post #38
at-fates-hands wrote: post #11

This sounds a lot like a thinly veiled attempt to dump a story about a state sponsored hacker being arrested and possibly extradited back to the US. All we've heard for weeks now is how a group of state sponsored Russian hackers were feeding DNC documents to Wikileaks. The lack of details and the Russian response just sounds fishy to me.

the Russian response History has taught us that it is very hard to pull the truth out of Russian response. You have to observe what they are doing and not what they are saying. So this by itself does not conclude anything. Also not the opposite, or nothing about the other state level actors.

Although, you should do the same for any State, including the American gov't.

You have to observer what the US does and not what they say.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by [deleted] »

tomashertus wrote: post #32
bduerst wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally, my wife grew up in Prague and has said it is a favorite for Russian tourism, so it's probably fairly easy to enter the E.U. there.

Yup, Prague and especially Karlovy Vary are full of Russian tourists.

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Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by CiPHPerCoder »

tptacek wrote: post #33
CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm still not clear on where you think this is going. Further political strife and possibly even all-out war, especially if warmer heads get elected. > He was arrested by the FBI, not rendered by the CIA. He's being charged with a crime. It's a crime that both the Czech Republic and the US have recognized as a crime for a long time. Is he going to be prosecuted in the Czech Republic and (if the prosecution is succe…

No, he's going to be extradited to the US and tried for crimes in the US.

OK, and that is exactly the point at which it becomes an international politics issue.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by tptacek »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #44
tptacek wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, he's going to be extradited to the US and tried for crimes in the US.

OK, and that is exactly the point at which it becomes an international politics issue.

I'm not following. Extradition has been an international norm since before the US even existed. We signed our first extradition treaty in the 1700s.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by tptacek »

usaphp wrote: post #40
ceejayoz wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Where do you get those check marks from? Do you want to dispute any of them? Do you believe the Czech Republic isn't an EU/NATO member, as asserted with the "check"s?

These check marks have a meaning only if they have a proof that he is guilty and is subject to extradition, otherwise they don't mean anything in this context

You're getting downvoted like crazy, but I really think you're just making a simple mistake in interpretation. You seem to think extradition occurs after trial, so that the convicted accused serve their sentence somewhere else. No, that's not how extradition works. The accused is extradited to face trial somewhere else.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by qaq »

yedpodtrzitko wrote: post #17
tptacek wrote: post #3

Czech Republic a member of European Union: Check! Czech Republic a NATO Ally: Check! Computer Crime Illegal In Czech Republic by Czech Law: Check! Computer Crime Illegal In European Union: Check! Bilateral Extradition Treaty Present Between US and Czech Republic: Check! European Union Recognizes Validity Of Bilateral Extradition Treaties With The US: Check! I am not clear on the basis of Russia's expectation that the…

Unfortunately, our (Czech) president is a big friend with Russia/China etc., he actively pulls strings in the background, so I wouldnt be surprised if this scenario would magically happen, somehow.

How is this possible after 1968? This world is strange.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by dllthomas »

dkopi wrote: post #5
CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #2

No word on who was arrested or who their victims were. All we have to confirm the story is political posturing from two global superpowers over an arrest in a third country. This sounds like the opening act of a cold war era political struggle. War by proxy, etc. Can we please not repeat that chapter in history? Or, if we're going to do so, at least not use hackers as the pawns in this sick game? I'd appreciate at le…

Which part do you consider an opening act of a cold war? Launching a cyber attack in a foreign country - or arresting someone who launched a cyber attack?

I read it as "opening act of a political struggle", where the struggle is of "cold war era" style.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by dragonwriter »

CiPHPerCoder wrote: post #12
empath75 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably that hacker shouldn't have worked for Russian intelligence while living in a NATO country. I'd expect the same for an NSA hacker working out of Turkmenistan or something.

All I'm saying is I don't like where this is going, and I think it's eerily similar to a path both countries have traveled before. If history must repeat, I'd rather not have the world's hackers get dragged into the struggle. I hate politics in my technology, dammit.

Hackers aren't, generally, being "dragged into the struggle", they are voluntary active participants, for patriotic, ideological, or mercenary reasons.

Re: Russian Hacker, Wanted by F.B.I., Is Arrested in Prague, Czechs Say

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Post by tptacek »

usaphp wrote: post #16

I can imagine this going like this: 1. They extradite this guy to USA 2. Accuse him of hacking and offering him a plea and full protection if he says that Putin was the one who sponsored these attacks 3. Guy says whatever they want him to say 4. USA has now "solid" evidence that Putin hacked them

People can imagine all sorts of things, but the US already has solid evidence that Russia is behind a number of US hacks. Not only that, but the US has already said Russia is behind those attacks; it would actually harm their argument if they built a giant PR campaign around this dude, because it would call into question the previous attribution.

I can imagine this going like this:

1. They extradite this guy to the USA.

2. They indict him for hacking, try him, and find him guilty.

3. He serves 4.3 years in federal prison.

4. He is released, returns to Russia, and we never hear about him again.

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