Live data from Hacker News

Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

seeedstudio.com

41–50 of 53 posts

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#41
post #7

Since I've ever only done rather simple boards: when would you actually need 16 layers? How complex of a component are we talking about when it would be feasible to use that many layers?

Anything with RF sensitivity can benefit from isolating ground layers. You can use layers for managing thermal effects. Vertical isolation of signal groups to reduce cross-talk. Horizontal space restrictions. And then of course, signal count and density. Many FPGAs have a thousand or more pins.

Your comment reminds me why it always pays to consult with an expert, pennies up front versus real dollars later.

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#42
post #4

I used their 2-layer service a while back it wasn't impressed, primary issues were solder mask wasn't up to spec, silkscreen was rough, and some copper was removed from areas that should have met their spec. I wound up going with pcbway.com on the same gerbers and have used them many times since.

Have you tried to ask them to re-do? I have not met this situation, what I received is good. I like the flexible logistics way Seeed offers. Sometimes it is expensive to pay for $20 express shipping fee for $9.9 board.

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#43
post #7

Since I've ever only done rather simple boards: when would you actually need 16 layers? How complex of a component are we talking about when it would be feasible to use that many layers?

Anything with RF sensitivity can benefit from isolating ground layers. You can use layers for managing thermal effects. Vertical isolation of signal groups to reduce cross-talk. Horizontal space restrictions. And then of course, signal count and density. Many FPGAs have a thousand or more pins.

We find 4 and 8 layer boards are the best for most of our RF designs (depending on frequency, complexity, etc.) - more layers than that and your dielectric layers start to get too thin and then your tracks have to be super narrow to hit a 50 ohm impedance... But of course, that also depends on what type of substrate you're using, etc.

But for complex digital boards, 16 (or more) layers is common.

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#44
post #32

I find it amazing that OSHpark manages to be price-competitive with Chinese PCB services. If you need small 4-layer boards with ENIG finish, OSHpark is hard to beat!

I use OSHpark for smaller projects since it's impressively cheap and fast, but for complex projects I've had issues because OSHpark does not e-test the boards. Seeed has e-test for no additional charge and I've never had faulty boards from them (though cosmetically OSHpark generally does better)

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#45
post #37
post #29

Shameless plug here, we're just working on getting a PCB & assembly service like Seeedstudio to Europe. What we're trying to achieve is to get close to prices from China but with zero quantities. That means you don't have to take care of stock, as soon as you need one we manufacture it. Beside that all manufacturing is done in Germany and we take care of logistics. Anyone interested take a look at https://go.aisler.n…

You pivoting from your OSHW platform Patrick? This is Kaspar, I think we might have met at FOSDEM 2 years ago? I gave a talk about my browser extension: https://1clickbom.com

Yeah, we met back in 2015 I guess! Will you be there in 2017? Would you be interested in some exchange over 1clickbom?

We noticed that a platform for OSHW without making the actual hardware available is kinda useless. That's why we started to thinking about, how do we make these projects available cheaply?

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#46
post #29

Shameless plug here, we're just working on getting a PCB & assembly service like Seeedstudio to Europe. What we're trying to achieve is to get close to prices from China but with zero quantities. That means you don't have to take care of stock, as soon as you need one we manufacture it. Beside that all manufacturing is done in Germany and we take care of logistics. Anyone interested take a look at https://go.aisler.n…

What's your pricing like? I don't see anything on the site, and I don't have a PCB on my phone right now to upload to see if I can get a price. If your price is comparable to DirtyPCBs, you have a new customer.

On the page is a pricing calculator, just scroll down a bit. As I said we're trying to get a low price on low quantities, if you only need 3 PCBs (e.g. for prototyping) we're cheaper than DirtyPCBs.

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#47
post #29

Shameless plug here, we're just working on getting a PCB & assembly service like Seeedstudio to Europe. What we're trying to achieve is to get close to prices from China but with zero quantities. That means you don't have to take care of stock, as soon as you need one we manufacture it. Beside that all manufacturing is done in Germany and we take care of logistics. Anyone interested take a look at https://go.aisler.n…

As I noticed some interest here, I'd like you to test the PCB service. Use coupon code 'hn102016' on checkout to get a 15% discount on your order. Would be happy to get some feedback on the PCB quality!

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#48
I have used Fusion PCB in SeeedStudio twice. Firstly, I order a 4 layer 5mil board which is looked great and beautiful. Secondly I ‘ve got a 2 layer board with clear silkscreen, perfect alignment of all layers, do not have a single electrical problem.And I receive the delivery within 6 days from USPS, quite satisfied with it. The low price and the high quality is really impressive. Couldn’t ask for more. I will go on using Fusion PCB in the future surely.

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#49
post #30
post #29

Shameless plug here, we're just working on getting a PCB & assembly service like Seeedstudio to Europe. What we're trying to achieve is to get close to prices from China but with zero quantities. That means you don't have to take care of stock, as soon as you need one we manufacture it. Beside that all manufacturing is done in Germany and we take care of logistics. Anyone interested take a look at https://go.aisler.n…

Finally, something being done in Europe! Sign me up. I've been using Seeed, ITEAD & OSHPark for my hobby stuff, and MacroFab for work stuff (eyeing closely PCBng which gets a lot of things right, but doesn't support all my components yet), but all of those have the same problem: shipping. You either pay with time (3 weeks to get your boards back) or with money (>$60 for quick shipping). I believe there is a lot that…

Since there many guys using Fusion PCB service in Seeed, Here I share the couopn code for the first 50 users :

【FusionPCB11】

Every one use this coupon code in Fusion will obtain a 20% off discount. The coupon code is valid before November.

Re: Fusion – One-stop prototyping service for PCBs

#50
post #30
post #29

Shameless plug here, we're just working on getting a PCB & assembly service like Seeedstudio to Europe. What we're trying to achieve is to get close to prices from China but with zero quantities. That means you don't have to take care of stock, as soon as you need one we manufacture it. Beside that all manufacturing is done in Germany and we take care of logistics. Anyone interested take a look at https://go.aisler.n…

Finally, something being done in Europe! Sign me up. I've been using Seeed, ITEAD & OSHPark for my hobby stuff, and MacroFab for work stuff (eyeing closely PCBng which gets a lot of things right, but doesn't support all my components yet), but all of those have the same problem: shipping. You either pay with time (3 weeks to get your boards back) or with money (>$60 for quick shipping). I believe there is a lot that…

Hi jwr,

co-founder of paddi91 here. What your are saying is essentially what has driven us to start investigating into this.

We come from the Open source hardware and hobby electronics world, and have backgrounds in mechanical engineering and information technology. So we wondered how we can add a European flavor to it: Lots of high quality manufacturers here in (central) Europe, but with a focus on High-End High-Scale series production, both for PCB and PCB assembly. We collaborate with them, automate most of the production process for them, and thus are able to offer competitive prices for low quantities.

We started investigating into this because we want every OSHW project to be reproducible by others. So that if you are an author and publish your designs with us (we synchronize with github if you want), other people (and the many others that are not able to design or assemble the project) can receive a copy of the current version. And since not everyone can assemble by themselves, we try to make it as simple as possible which is the reason for the PCB Assembly pilot. Here we use similar tools to automate everything. It should therefore be affordable to re-produce any project on-demand. Seriously, if you want to help make open source electronics more accessible come and join us with your project for the assembly beta, the more projects, the better, as it improves the test-suite ;-) feel free to either send an email to patrick via patrick@aisler.net (my co-founder) or contact me directly via felix@aisler.net

By the way: the cost parameters for assembly would be the following: cost of the pcb x 2 + cost of parts. no minimum quantity required. All boards come with green soldermask, white top and bottom legend, and will have ENIG surface plating. We only use high-class FR4, 1.6mm TG150 material.

Post reply on HN