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Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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I'm curious, how does one gain access to flight schedules/fares? Is this something that anyone can get their hands on and create a service (complexity aside), or do you need some sort of license that costs thousands of dollars? Does each airline have their own way of exporting this data? Is there a single entity that aggregates from all of them? How does the actual data look like? (Is it a dump every X hours, or some…

Fares and rules come from ATPCO ( http://atpco.net ). Flights come from OAG ( http://www.oag.com ). Seat availability requires data directly from the carrier, usually via a live query to the carrier's reservation system. The GDS companies get this data from these sources and then in turn provide (crappy) APIs for customers to use to query it. In general, if you're doing bookings you can get small amounts of the data…

Thank you for building ITA Matrix - it is amazing tool and I don't know what I would do without it.

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The one drawback is sometimes they are missing local / smaller airlines from their list of flights (which can be a major price difference from the major ones) on short flights. Not to mention they're missing Southwest, but that's Southwest's fault -- they seem to have some sort of policy against allowing any third parties to list their flights. In addition to being really annoying since I have to make two searches…

> How could not having all that free advertising from flight search engines possibly be a good thing for Southwest? It's not 'free'. See this quora answer for more: ( https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Southwest-choose-not-to-offer... ) Short Answer: It costs money to be there and they can control the variables and environment better on their website. Long Answer: It dates back to Southwest's routes in competing with the…

I'd be very surprised if Google Flights wanted Southwest to pay for inclusion. It already lists Southwest flights with a note "Prices are not available for: Southwest. Flights with unknown prices are at the end of the list." Instead it really sounds like it's Southwest not wanting it to be easy for people to comparison shop.

(Disclaimer: I work for Google, on an unrelated project.)

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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I almost never use anything other google flights when searching for a ticket. The UI is just so much better and easier to use than the ridiculous bloated crap that most travel sites are (especially when they are trying to shove car-rental and hotel deals in your face). The one drawback is sometimes they are missing local / smaller airlines from their list of flights (which can be a major price difference from the maj…

>I almost never use anything other google flights when searching for a ticket. The UI is just so much better and easier to use than the ridiculous bloated crap that most travel sites are Funny, I was just thinking of how dissapointing the Google UI was: it took me three clicks and two page loads to see where and for how long a layover was. Have you tried Hipmunk[0]? Their interface for flight listings is the best I'v…

What are you talking about? The layover info in Google Flights is right there in the right-hand column of the results list, "1h 48m in IAD".

I don't see how it could appear any sooner unless it telepathically, I mean, machine-learningally knew your destination and dates before you entered them.

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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I've searched with Google Flights a few times, but they are consistently more expensive than the flights I find with other services (Hipmunk, specifically). Has anyone else noticed this before, too? Does anyone know why the prices would be that much different? For the searches I've done, Google Flights is close to $150 more than what Hipmunk shows. Does Hipmunk maybe just have some sort of promo or lower price that G…

Are you finding the same specific flights have different prices on the two services, or are you finding that Hipmunk is able to find flights that Google doesn't?

(Disclaimer: I work for Google, on an unrelated project.)

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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The title is a little misleading. The screenshot shows that Google is showing that "prices will likely increase" which is different than the "fares will increase" in the title. "fares might increase" would be more appropriate here.

Are you trying to draw a distinction between "prices" and "fares", or just "will likely" vs "will"?

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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Bing Travel had predictions for fare fluctuations for air tickets back in 2009. It was pretty awesome back when I flied a lot, but they apparently killed the feature in 2014. Now Google's bringing it back, two years later. I don't understand the future sometimes. ¯\(°_o)/¯

The original service was called Farecast before Microsoft bought them. It used to be very good, but the prediction info gradually became marginalized. We may never know the truth, but it feels as if Microsoft caved to pressure from the airlines.

Farecast and subsequent Bing Travel employee here: I had already moved on by the time the decision was made to discontinue the fare prediction service but I think it was mostly due to the amount of work it took to maintain a high accuracy rate and the large amounts of data we had to ingest to do so. Over time, there were less people from the original team working on it and the data options were limited (ITA was a major source of data) so it was discontinued. Glad to see we were ahead of our time!

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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post #4

Bing Travel had predictions for fare fluctuations for air tickets back in 2009. It was pretty awesome back when I flied a lot, but they apparently killed the feature in 2014. Now Google's bringing it back, two years later. I don't understand the future sometimes. ¯\(°_o)/¯

so around 2007-2009 was the actual liberalization in some data regulation related to air travel

nothing novel has happened since then

web services are just easier to use

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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I almost never use anything other google flights when searching for a ticket. The UI is just so much better and easier to use than the ridiculous bloated crap that most travel sites are (especially when they are trying to shove car-rental and hotel deals in your face). The one drawback is sometimes they are missing local / smaller airlines from their list of flights (which can be a major price difference from the maj…

> The one drawback is sometimes they are missing local / smaller airlines from their list of flights (which can be a major price difference from the major ones) on short flights. Not to mention they're missing Southwest, but that's Southwest's fault -- they seem to have some sort of policy against allowing any third parties to list their flights. In addition to being really annoying since I have to make two searches…

Does Southwest selectively offer access to different sites? I know Momondo lists Southwest flights when I search through there. Or is Momondo crawling Southwest's site for prices?

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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post #23

I'm curious, how does one gain access to flight schedules/fares? Is this something that anyone can get their hands on and create a service (complexity aside), or do you need some sort of license that costs thousands of dollars? Does each airline have their own way of exporting this data? Is there a single entity that aggregates from all of them? How does the actual data look like? (Is it a dump every X hours, or some…

You should first start reading these great slides from Carl de Macken (ITA Software co-founder, the thing that now powers Google Flights) http://www.demarcken.org/carl/papers/ITA-software-travel-com...

…and then decide if you still want to pursue this.

Re: Google Flights will now tell you when fares will increase

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post #23

I'm curious, how does one gain access to flight schedules/fares? Is this something that anyone can get their hands on and create a service (complexity aside), or do you need some sort of license that costs thousands of dollars? Does each airline have their own way of exporting this data? Is there a single entity that aggregates from all of them? How does the actual data look like? (Is it a dump every X hours, or some…

Fares and rules come from ATPCO ( http://atpco.net ). Flights come from OAG ( http://www.oag.com ). Seat availability requires data directly from the carrier, usually via a live query to the carrier's reservation system. The GDS companies get this data from these sources and then in turn provide (crappy) APIs for customers to use to query it. In general, if you're doing bookings you can get small amounts of the data…

Thanks for Crash Bandicoot.

How did you go from games to developing airlines reservation and fares software?

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