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I do not believe Trump is significantly more intolerant than HRC or any other likely presidential candidate, he simply focuses his rhetoric on populist ire across all of his positions. It's the only trick he knows so he does it again and again. Additionally, HRC has in the past advocated a nearly identical "wall" policy but used softer rhetoric: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gUAdAYFbIc GOP candidates for several e…
That's fine. I mean, again: I would urge you to reconsider. But we otherwise don't have a live debate, I don't think. I am not here to argue that people who oppose Hillary Clinton should change their minds (they should, though!). I'm here to urge Sam Altman, who does not agree with you, that his continued support for Peter Thiel is harming the goal he shares with me of preventing a Trump Presidency now, or in 2020.
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#502And I'm willing to bet the majority of people posting in this thread are Americans, which makes this whole conversation even more head-shaking for me.
Not a Christian, but "pull the plank from thine own eye" seems to be the most appropriate thing to say to every last one of you here.
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#504You Americans (at least I think the majority of you are Americans) are getting quite ridiculous arguing over this. Supporting a political candidate is a personal choice, one that is given to every eligible individual in a democratic state. Calling for someone to be fired or sever ties with them over political choice is retarded and counter-productive.
You look at a map of the "red states" and they are very much what is remaining of the Confederate States of America. The red states in the west are where these racist losers fled to after the war to get away from all the freed blacks.
The fact that Trump is calling the election "rigged" and essentially egging on an armed rebellion after election day - well that just might happen because it already did a very long time ago.
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I'm pretty sure a huge portion of Trump's support is from people that are essentially single issue tax and supreme court voters (for the presidential election). Or even a Yuuuge portion. Jerry Falwell Jr. isn't struggling or left out of the political process. I also don't understand what everyone have the right to say and mean what they want without having to fear the repercussions is supposed to mean. If someone rep…
I think the idea is that you thinking they are stupid is much different from being fired from a job (or removed as a partner, however you would frame this scenario). The changing externalities leads to that gray area.
In any internationally exposed company, Muslims and Mexicans (and other nationalities / religious groups, but these have been the focal points of the Trump campaign) might be your customers. They might even be some of your employees. Now, say you are one of those with said Trump-exploited racial discomfort and you quite often babble about how evil the Muslims are or how nasty those Mexican immigrants are etc. One can certainly infer that one does not really want to put this person anywhere near any job where they might be on a team with actual Muslims or Mexicans, let alone exec type of positions where you may be visiting Muslim/Mexican employees or customers directly.
I really don't care for Marco's attempt to strong-arm YCombinator based on a political candidate (not all Trump supporters are supporting him for the racial discomfort type thing anyways). But I do sometimes wonder whether those holding racial discomfort viewpoints do in fact have a potential barrier to life progress and even whether this sort of thing is a potential contributor to the inequality gap. The challenge to me is how to reduce this without resorting to the often condescending / insulting / I'm-holier-than-thou type responses you frequently see in discussions about this topic.
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#506Marcos understanding of this situation is extremely telling for a fundamental problem with many americans relationship with politics. Most only get involved around election. After that their political interest is non existing. It's easy to get lured into the idea that politics is a simple choice between the moral good and the moral bad, that the choice is simple and that there is a one to one relationship between wha…
- "free speech" is a protection against the government, not against Marcos/YC/whoever no longer working with you, which is also a form of speech.
- Trump is not and has never been part of the white, male underclass that makes up his support. He connects with them on exactly one level: hate. Hate against the "other", from foreigners, non-whites, or women, to people with a college degree and actually to poor people ("losers"). He has spent a week in a vendetta against some woman who apparently gained weight or something, less than two months before an election to the most powerful office in the world. I'm a big fan of nuance and complexity and I usually mistrust people with strong convictions. Here, this one time, it happens to be warranted.
More importantly, people don't fear his "policies", whatever they may be. There have been enough Republicans with trickle-down fantasies that we know it won't work, and probably kill a few poor people at the margins, but the republic will live on. The unique quality, setting him apart from GWB or Romney, is the damage he's planning to do to the sausage factory itself: he has explicitly advocated the jailing of his political opponents, laws making it illegal to criticize him, bills of attainer etc.
That's playing with fire, and it's past the point where people can agree to disagree and tolerate it. Even Republicans, some of them retiring and therefore free to follow their conscience and nothing else, are scared of him.
So no, there's no right to be spared the consequences of you words. That's actually quite a strange idea, considering speech without consequences seems useless. There is however a burden to push back against proto-fascists burning the constitution and wrapping themselves in the flag.
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On the contrary, the fact that we had, and continue to have numerous threads, and thousands of comments means it is very interesting to the community.
The fact that it keeps getting flagged to death shows something too.
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> Racism is not just racism, sexism is not just sexism. They are just wrong and they have no place in a modern western democracy.
This is true. The debate about Trump is made more complicated by the racism and sexism demonstrated by (those that happen to also be among) the most ardent Trump haters.
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That is in fact not a fundamental principle of democracy. There is no work of political philosophy anywhere that suggests we should be able to say whatever we'd like "without fear of repercussions". What is a principle of liberal philosophy, though, is that we should be tolerant of the beliefs of others (in the sense of not intervening to suppress them), including intolerant beliefs, until those intolerant beliefs th…
as long as no one have actually formulated an argument based on facts how Trump is a threat to democracy I dont see how he is more dangerous than Hillary, Bush or Obama. And i am pretty sure a large portion of people outide the US see those three as bigger threats to their lives than Trump given US foreign policy. So until someone show how the us system can be destroyed by Trump I stand by my position that Trump is n…
Things he is doing in that vein:
1. Saying that he'd put his political opponents in jail.
2. Saying that the election is rigged.
3. Encouraging the idea that if he isn't elected, the election was illegitimate.
These are the facts. If you still disagree, I think it has to be because of one of these reasons:
1. You disagree that Trump is doing these things.
2. You disagree that they historically have lead to the downfall of democracies.
3. You disagree that them having lead to the downfall of democracies means that it is good evidence that this is a danger to democracy.
I'd appreciate if you could tell me which of the above is your stance?
(Obviously, if I missed another possibility, I'd be happy to know about it!)
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Americans love to moralize and punish each other. Instead of saying that they think somebody is wrong they like to make the other person into some evil person who can't even be argued with because they are so evil. That's why there is no real political discourse but just people screaming at each other.
Americans (at least the left leaning ones) also love holiness spiral signalling wars. Its quite possible OP doesn't believe anything in the linked to article, but that style of writing is how the left does sophistry, its the progressive modern way to signal superiority and worth. Op wants attention and smugness, that's how its done in 2016. People who believe any of the linked article is literally true end up with th…
Its quite possible OP doesn't believe anything in the linked to article
By OP I assume you mean me, ie: the guy who submitted the article to HN, not the author.First, I'm not out for attention, but thanks for that unprompted attack (dick). I submitted this as it seemed wrong that it kept being censored/flagged off HN. Honestly I expected it to be flagged off again, but hoped at least a few more people would get to see it.
For me the real issue isn't so much that Thiel is Trump supporter, but that Sam Altman and PG have both been very vocal in their denouncement of Trump, so keeping Thiel as a partner (not employee, let's be clear about that) seems incongruous at best, and down right spineless at worst.
Don't get me wrong, Donald Trump is huge cunt in my view, but even if I were indifferent to Trump, I'd still feel Thiel and Ycombinator should not be doing business together with such drastically conflicting values.
It's also probably worth mentioning I'm English and live in the UK, and this whole election reminds me of Brexit. Pretty much everyone I spoke to thought it would be a landslide for remain. Hell, even the politicians advocating leave didn't seem to think they'd win. Yet here we are, £GBP in free fall, and no one on either side seems to have any idea what to do next.
Even if it seems unlikely now, Trump could end up as president, and that's scary for a lot of people.