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Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#31

So if I built my own personal ad network, I could make a PR and have it be accepted?

Somebody is currently doing that:

An external contributor is currently building first class support for "My simple ad network that just wants to put an image with a link on the page" https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/5541

There are other ways to do it, though.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#32
Am I being uncharitable in saying the TLDR is:

This is working as expected and you need to do more work to make AMP work for you?

Why can't it work with templates, why does content that was created need to be created again for AMP? This doesn't seem very scalable.

Also, the attribution for ads and analytics basically means you need to reimplement your entire tracking code within the schema and spec of AMP's analytics attributes which only supports a subset of existing providers rather than allowing an abstract interface.

Also to the point that AMP doesn't affect search position, is this true if someone serves a shitty AMP page? Or is it only true that it won't boost position?

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#33

Am I being uncharitable in saying the TLDR is: This is working as expected and you need to do more work to make AMP work for you? Why can't it work with templates, why does content that was created need to be created again for AMP? This doesn't seem very scalable. Also, the attribution for ads and analytics basically means you need to reimplement your entire tracking code within the schema and spec of AMP's analytics…

Well, it certainly works with templates (like the WordPress AMP plugin), but that only gets you that far. It is definitely work to adopt AMP, but most people who have done it are pretty happy with the workflow. We are always listening for feedback, though, and are looking for ways to make it easier.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#34
As positive as the response sounds, it is an empty promise.

> We’re looking at ways to make the source link more discoverable and will update once that is done.

If Google was actually going to fix the issue, they would have said "we will make the close button direct users to the original site and will update once that is done" OR "we are changing the x (close) button to a ← (back) button".

"x" means "close" and "←" means "back". This is confusing UX at the least and arguably a dark pattern.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#35

He avoids really hard addressing the only bit that matters > Guess what happens when the "close" button is clicked inside the AMP view? And the amount of disingenuous on this just rubs me the wrong way: > If you are not comfortable with traffic on your AMP pages, please do not publish AMP pages.

Happy to address the close button: You are on a search page, you go on layer deep by clicking. The close button goes back. I don't see what else it should do. Mind you that I do understand that a link to the origin server would be a good improvement (and I've stated that in the post). I'm not sure what you find disingenuous. AMP are just web pages saying "HEY I A AMP, please use treat me as AMP". You can publish the…

The internet is about hyperlinks, not hierarchical views - this move by Google feels very disingenuous.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#36

Does Google have any plans to let users opt out? Maybe an icon that takes you to the original? I tried opening the AMP link in a new tab and it took me to the site, so at least there's a workaround. Since I normally use Firefox Mobile (has to try it with Chrome), I don't get the AMP icon and I'm taken to the requested site. I'm guessing this functionality is limited to Chrome and (maybe?) Safari on mobile. AMP is att…

AMP works great in Firefox (modulo this bug right now https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/issues/5479 :) and all other modernish browsers. Google Search currently chooses not to display it for FX, but that is not due to a limitation in AMP.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#37
post #34

As positive as the response sounds, it is an empty promise. > We’re looking at ways to make the source link more discoverable and will update once that is done. If Google was actually going to fix the issue, they would have said "we will make the close button direct users to the original site and will update once that is done" OR "we are changing the x (close) button to a ← (back) button". "x" means "close" and "←" m…

Am I in the minority in that I found the function of the "x" to be very clear? I don't know if it is fair to call it "nothing less than a dark pattern" without a bit more data.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#38
post #34

As positive as the response sounds, it is an empty promise. > We’re looking at ways to make the source link more discoverable and will update once that is done. If Google was actually going to fix the issue, they would have said "we will make the close button direct users to the original site and will update once that is done" OR "we are changing the x (close) button to a ← (back) button". "x" means "close" and "←" m…

Am I in the minority in that I found the function of the "x" to be very clear? I don't know if it is fair to call it "nothing less than a dark pattern" without a bit more data.

That is where we currently are. In our user testing it tests really well, but there appears to be confusion in this community which would be good to address.

My current feature request is to link the "publisher domain" to the origin article, so that one can always click that to get there and use it to copy the link.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#39
Google has their version of the internet. Facebook has their version of the internet. As time slides forward just think of how many users won't know the real internet from these rubber doll versions.

Congrats humanity. Your best invention ever and it only 20 years or so to completely fuck it up. This is why we can't have nice things.

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