If that state party is Ecuador, I'll laugh out loud.
When I first read this I chuckled at what I thought was the absurdity.
I am now laughing manically with you...
Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'
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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'
#872Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not the point. Is it only left or right in America? Both candidates are rubbish and if you support Hillary you're no better than your average Trump's redneck.
So, wild exaggerated claims are made, they get trivially refuted as bs, and your comment is that's not the point? Really? Get some perspective. Neither candidate is flawless but let's not pretend they're equally so. One is a dangerous megalomaniac, and the other is pretty much a regular standard ass politician.
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#873Earlier quoted context omitted.
You and I must understand entirely different things when we read the phrase "premeditated collusion with the media." Those media organizations and those journalists may have editorial and personal opinions on who they would prefer to win the election, but there's one thing they care more about than any of those preferences: access . The idea that the press wouldn't or shouldn't care about vacuuming up every talking p…
>You and I must understand entirely different things when we read the phrase "premeditated collusion with the media." Agreed. >Those media organizations and those journalists may have editorial and personal opinions on who they would prefer to win the election, but there's one thing they care more about than any of those preferences: access. The idea that the press wouldn't or shouldn't care about vacuuming up every…
You wrote a good post and I apologize in advance if my reply doesn't do it justice. I'm on mobile.
> I can assure you the things in those emails between the press and the Clinton campaign are shameful on a journalistic ethics front.
And programmers get taught to write documentation and not make things work with hacks or produce spaghetti code. The way the sausage gets made not comporting with professional standards is neither unheard of nor is it isolated to journalism.
They're being shameful, yes. But they're doing it because it's a living, not because they have an agenda.
> if you want to buy into the philosophy behind the press and why it's given so much leeway in American law, then their fundamental role is to serve as the fourth estate
Off-topic, but I don't. I view all media -- explicitly biased and ostensibly not alike -- as fully protected under the umbrella of free speech, for which I am an irrationally ardent proponent.
We can make objective claims about our present media not doing a very good job at informing society without getting into that, though. Our principal disagreement seems to be about why that's happening. You seem to want to ascribe agency to it. I think that's a mistake, in the aggregate. Maybe I'm just being a cynic, but I don't think so.
> the bulk of the press has decided to burn their credibility in promoting Clinton
I'm not a fan of Clinton by any stretch of the imagination. I see how Clinton scandals get significantly less airtime than Trump scandals, but I have a hard time believing that isn't being driven by ratings. Trump has been graded on a heck of a curve at times, in ways that can't be considered "objective."
And it was seven coin tosses ;-)
Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'
#874Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no evidence Russia is involved. Given what was apparently Podesta's password coupled with a lack of two factor authentication, these leaks wouldn't have exactly required a team of elite hackers. But even if it was Russia. No, you cannot justify a hot war as a result of cyber crime. That is absolutely insane and Clinton is flat out dangerously wrong on that point. The releases expose corruption, it isn't nece…
>There is no evidence Russia is involved. That's not what the FBI investigation is saying: > Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said Friday that they are confident that senior-level Russian officials were involved in the hacks. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/john-podesta-wikileaks...
Because we haven't seen any collusion between the DNC and the FBI this year...
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#875Earlier quoted context omitted.
To further what you're saying. Wikileaks announced for weeks when they were releasing the emails. It was a pre-planned event that the entire world was waiting for. The Trump tape, which had obviously been saved for a rainy day, was trotted out to distract from the pre-announced Wikileaks release. This level of premeditated collusion with the media is not even up for debate at this point, since the very emails they ar…
I'd like to suggest a more significant conclusion. The trust I have had in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times, ABC/NBC/CBS, Democratic and Republican parties has been irreparably damaged. I've been a cord cutter for over a decade. This year I graduated to pitying people who repeat the latest front page story as naive fear-junkies. Everything is suspect. Why burn processing cycles reading stories that on their fa…
I know it's a rather sad state of affairs when I'm now reading /pol/ on 4chan to get my news nowadays. Once you filter out the noise, there's some intensive research and unbiased news there.
Is anyone else doing this?
Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'
#876> so what exactly will this accomplish… Many things! Instill a fear may be. Demonstrate their power to kill at will and their willingness to do so. Prevent outing of more truths about the Silicon Valley-Washington DC alliance. Meh. Let the downvotes begin… :)
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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'
#877From the bowels of 4Chan https://i.imgur.com/abcVS6q.jpg
Extradition is a process that involves an extradition court and a right of appeal. There is absolutely no way they are bundling Assange onto a plane without Wikileaks screaming blue murder. This is highly unlikely to be credible.
Are you joking? This is beyond rule of law. If Ecuador caves Assange will be(or already was) transported unconscious (if not dead) in a black bag by same rendition team that organized and operated concentration camps in Poland, Romania and Ukraine.
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#878> Is the whole embassy shut down? Not likely. They're not just going to cut his Internet and then drone him the same day. They're hoping he comes out on his own. My guess is that if they decide to kill him they'd likely do it next Friday evening, on the bet that the deadman's switch has a 14-day timeout.
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Re: Wikileaks: Julian Assange's internet access 'cut'
#879If you haven't noticed the media collusion you are both blind and dumb.
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#880Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think Assange is a partisan. He's Australian after all and has no stake in this election. I think he is releasing info on Hillary because that is what he has and is timing the release for maximum public exposure. If he had similar info on Trump, I firmly believe he would be doing the same thing.
It's pretty well known that Assange has a vendetta against Hillary Clinton. Just searching for Assange Clinton on Google brings up lots of articles on the subject.
He may have a vendetta against Clinton, but it's not a thing against 'Democrats' per-sey.
And despite his 'vendetta' I have no doubt that he would release anti-Trump bits if he had them.
Wikipedia - whatever it's credibility - is headed by a dude with somewhat demagogic and self-glorifying tendencies himself.