Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
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Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#2This may be the one and only thing I agree with Trump on: Clinton should have been prosecuted over the email server affair, even if only for lying about it.
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#3Possibly flogging a dead horse here, but note that one can face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. This may be the one and only thing I agree with Trump on: Clinton should have been prosecuted over the email server affair, even if only for lying about it.
Not for circumventing record keeping and transparency measures?
Not for destroying information relevant to an investigation?
I'm with you. The horse is anything but dead - take for instance the "quid pro quo" FBI 302's from todays news.
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#4Possibly flogging a dead horse here, but note that one can face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. This may be the one and only thing I agree with Trump on: Clinton should have been prosecuted over the email server affair, even if only for lying about it.
Not only would this end in discharge for military personnel or removal from office of a government official, but criminal charges and restriction of civil liberties. Of the millions of federal employees, she's proven herself to be in the distinct minority as disqualified to hold a position of authority.
See:
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. (b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2071
Whether it's her use of elaborate mechanisms to circumvent federal law, lying underoath or the astounding acceptance of foreign donations for a charity that directly supports her family (uhh, bribe?), I don't understand why her actions are excused away by otherwise rational people.
See: State Dept. official accused of offering 'quid pro quo' in Clinton email scandal
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/fbi-state-department-c...
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#5The article states that they are charging him for making false statements to the FBI. But also that the Justice Department had been after him because he was a potential leaker of the fact that Stuxnet was an American sabotage project.
The way I'm reading the two together - the article doesn't make this clear - is that the Justice Department had not been able to prove that he was the source of the leaks, but were able to prove that he lied to the FBI during questioning, and so are pursuing a punishment.
Anyone follow this case very closely care to chime in and clarify exactly what's going on? The article and the title are very different.
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#6Possibly flogging a dead horse here, but note that one can face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. This may be the one and only thing I agree with Trump on: Clinton should have been prosecuted over the email server affair, even if only for lying about it.
Agreed. There is very clearly a double standard for Clinton vs Everyone else in the Govt/Military. Perjury is still a crime (one that got her husband impeached). Her lies weren't to the public, they were to the Justice Department - not knowing that the red "C" stood for classified. Furthermore, her concealment and destruction of her emails were federal crimes (plural). Not only would this end in discharge for militar…
The fact that others would have been dismissed or fired if they had done what she did isn't relevant, because the only person who could have fired her would have been the President. She was different, insofar that her boss wasn't a member of the State Department, he was the head of the executive branch.
Additionally, quoting legal code is pretty ignorant; it's ignoring the huge impact case law has on the US justice system.
Finally, she didn't lie under oath, in the sense of a legal "lie". The word doesn't mean the same in colloquial speak as it does in terms of a legal definition.
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. There is very clearly a double standard for Clinton vs Everyone else in the Govt/Military. Perjury is still a crime (one that got her husband impeached). Her lies weren't to the public, they were to the Justice Department - not knowing that the red "C" stood for classified. Furthermore, her concealment and destruction of her emails were federal crimes (plural). Not only would this end in discharge for militar…
Except for the critical fact that she was never found to have violated any law, everyone involved says this. Anyone else having done what she did would have lacked the authority to do so, whereas she did have such authority. There is no comparable situation. The fact that others would have been dismissed or fired if they had done what she did isn't relevant, because the only person who could have fired her would have…
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except for the critical fact that she was never found to have violated any law, everyone involved says this. Anyone else having done what she did would have lacked the authority to do so, whereas she did have such authority. There is no comparable situation. The fact that others would have been dismissed or fired if they had done what she did isn't relevant, because the only person who could have fired her would have…
Attorney here. Citing federal criminal code, not irrelevant.
We can substitute the word with "maliciously manipulative" or "intellectually dishonest" if you'd prefer.
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#9Possibly flogging a dead horse here, but note that one can face criminal charges for lying to the FBI. This may be the one and only thing I agree with Trump on: Clinton should have been prosecuted over the email server affair, even if only for lying about it.
Remember Clinton was only invited (at the best time that suits her) for a loose interview that wasn't recorded, and only brief notes done by an FBI agent. As far as we know, they even lack asking her important questions.
Truly amazing to see this set of double standards on what's so many call the most free and law-abiding soil in the history of this planet.
Re: Retired U.S. general charged with lying to FBI in 'Stuxnet' leak case
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Attorney here. Citing federal criminal code, not irrelevant.
I didn't say it was irrelevant, I used the word "ignorant". We can substitute the word with "maliciously manipulative" or "intellectually dishonest" if you'd prefer.