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The 2016 Election

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Re: The 2016 Election

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>(of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says >himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). Uh, what about the if "People acted the same way Hillary did while in office they would be in jail." This is not hyperbole. Perjury is still a crime (one that got her husband impeached). Her lies weren't to the public, they were to the Justice Department - not knowing that the red "C" stood for classified.…

> I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. I don’t see how anyone could support Hillary, based on her actions.

I feel that way about them both. Who can legitimately be excited by any of this? It's just degrading to see our republic reduced to these depths.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #122

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>Thiel doesn't support Trump because he's racist/etc, he does it in spite of that. How do you know that?

Maybe he's a closet racist, who knows. But I think that's a dismissive assumption. Here's a great article: http://theweek.com/articles/638051/why-does-peter-thiel-supp... Some bullet points: * He believes we've stagnated (see http://blog.samaltman.com/trump) * He sees a unique opportunity to buy into politics at the highest level for a mere $1.25MM * He likes being on CNN and on stage. He's famous, but not politics-f…

Please acknowledge that this is a huge backpedal from your original statement.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #42

What about Brendan Eich and Prop 8? It was acceptable to denounce him then. But supporting Thiel is okay?

People can think what they want about Prop 8 he shouldn't have been forced out of Mozilla because of this. There is absolutely not 1 proof that he behaved inappropriately at Mozilla. His track record was almost flawless there. He was pushed out by people who clearly don't care about Mozilla, just about unrelated politics and of course ,nobody can ignore the cabal right here against Eich on HN. It was despicable back then it still is now.

It's exactly the same things as the handful of idiots who tried to paint Doug Crockford as a misogynist and kicked him out of Nodevember conference. These people don't have the best interests of the technology community in mind. For them getting the head of this or that prominent guy is just about collecting trophies.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #246

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Yeah I'm not quite sure I understand the whole "I'm voting Clinton because it's the only way to stop Trump" argument. No it's not. If enough people who are voting Clinton purely to stop Trump voted 3rd party, 3rd party would actually have a chance. In this overflowing toilet bowl we call the 2016 Presidential Election, your best bet to unclog it is to use a plunger, now throw another turd in. Vote for the plunger, no…

They probably wouldn't. I think you overestimate the number of people voting Clinton just to stop Trump. A lot of people truly like her the most. (Not me, I'd like to note - not that I will be voting as an Englishman). It's also worth noting, what third party candidate? There isn't a perfect option there either. It's a first past the post system - third party candidates are never going to happen because of the psycho…

> third party candidates are never going to happen

More than two parties will never be stable unless elections are other than FPTP. But which two parties has changed more than once through US history. I don't see a reason it couldn't possibly happen again.

Re: The 2016 Election

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Or the firebombing of election offices?

Please provide a list of DNC officials that support from fire bombing. The candidate that he supports has said it was terrible. Democrats organized money specifically for the office to be rebuilt. You're not adding anything of value to the conversation here.

It doesn't change the fact that the US population has been whipped into a frenzy by "Trump is literal hitler" rhetoric.

We are in a thread that is debating the merits of a political purge in the workplace, the "value added" isn't up to you.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #252

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Trump is a racist, Hillary is a warmonger. As an American you might be more concerned about racism. But I guess rest of the world is more concerned about drones and missiles that miss the target.

So what leads you to believe that Trump is LESS of a warmonger than Hillary? I see lots of talks from Trump about "negotiate tough" (sounds good), but then a lot about "smash them up" (sounds not so peaceful). Doesn't seem very peace like.

Trump is not the one courting Kissinger

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #227

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Yeah, Clinton's side is all rainbows and ponies. This whole post is about Clinton's side wanting to throw Thiel out because of his views! Like happened to Eich. That doesn't clear Trump in any way, but don't you see both sides are the same? That's the problem!

How could you possibly equate a private company disavowing a single billionaire with the president of the United States harassing and deporting millions of people?

> deporting millions of people?

millions of illegal immigrants, as a candidate to immigration myself, following the rules, I see no problem with that.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #260

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I agree with most of that. And I agree that her campaign is mostly about fear tactics. I suppose the difference between us then is just that I think, despite the lameness of fear-as-platform, I think that fear is pretty justified by the thought of Trump being president. When you honestly consider that prospect, does it not terrify you? I don't mean that question rhetorically.

We have checks and balances in place. Trump would be gridlocked for 4 years. Hillary however has a paved road ahead of her, and what will be branded as a "mandate". I am truly scared of what this country will be after 8 years of her rule.

We do have checks and balances, but the president is in pretty direct control of the military. He can order essentially whatever operations he pleases, and they are to be carried out without much question or deliberation, if that is his wish. That's what worries me most.

Re: The 2016 Election

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Trump is a new player in politics, whereas Hillary represents business as usual. Hillary means more drone strikes, corporate appeasment, global interventions, weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, and a complete lack of transparency into government. I will not vote for a candidate that represents so much of what is wrong with this country, solely becuase she wants me to believe the other guy is worse. Fear tactics are the la…

>Hillary means more drone strikes, corporate appeasment, global interventions, weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, and a complete lack of transparency into government Trump supports drone strikes and wants to go further, including torturing the families of terrorists. Trump supports nuclear proliferation (e.g. Japan). Corporate appeasement? The guy runs a billion dollar business and benefitted greatly from the housing cris…

I don't think Trump will do anything. I think he will sit in his office and sulk for 4 years while getting blocked repeatedly in congress.

Also, I never said I was voting for Trump.

Re: The 2016 Election

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> We should all feel a duty to try to understand the roughly > half of the country that thinks we are severely misguided. > I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. > But I’d like to find out, because we have to include > everyone in our path forward. If our best ideas are to > stop talking to or fire anyone who disagrees with us, > we’ll be facing this whole situation again in 2020. > > That kind of…

You made the comment I was going to make. Though I would have included the following too: > The way we got into a situation with Trump as a major party nominee in the first place was by not talking to people who are very different than we are. The polarization of the country into two parallel political realities is not good for any of us. We should talk to each other more, not less. When it comes down to it.. its bec…

> We should talk to each other more, not less.

It's a nice sentiment, but it implies that both sides have walked away from the middle more or less equidistantly, and the way to fix it is to walk back. The reality is that American left is still mostly center-left, while the American right has been steadily radicalizing over the past two decades.

Study after study shows the same thing: the average right wing voter today is more prone to groupthink (i.e. believing in party orthodoxy of the day), more likely to select news & information sources pandering to his agenda regardless of their adherence to truth, and views political opponents more negatively.

(This isn't to say that any of these behaviors are exclusive to the right - of course not, and the existence of HuffPo etc is the evidence to that. What's different is how strong and widespread it is.)

So for the left, walking back to the middle is not going to solve this, since the other guy walked much further away. To "meet them in the middle", you'd need to cross over to the right, to the point of abandoning the core platform values that have been there for a very long time. That's not going to happen.

This is a self-correcting problem, though. The side that goes on a quest for ideological purity at the expense of practicality, inevitably diminishes its own ranks by repeatedly purging those deemed as not pure enough (and on every iteration, the criteria become tighter and tighter). You can see this in practice - if you ask some Republican voters, more than half of their own party are "RINOs". And there's a positive feedback loop here - the smaller the party gets, the harder it is for it to hold onto political power, and the less incentive for someone who wants to actually do something (which requires power) to join or stay.

So that bubble is well on its way to bursting, and the best way to resolve matters is to help it along the way. Once it bursts and the right deals with the fallout, then we can talk about meeting in the middle etc.

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