Is it really that they support Trump or are just anti-Hillary? From this post, you are not really pro-Hillary, you are just anti-Trump, so consider that it goes the other way too.
The 2016 Election
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Re: The 2016 Election
#392Earlier quoted context omitted.
What third parties? Would you rather have the libertarians or green party? Maybe a party or candidate with even less of a track record? Neither offer a sane way forward.
I keep seeing this argument, and just because you disagree with libertarian principles doesn't make them more "insane." Dismissing in such a negative way well thought out view points because they don't match your world view is counterproductive to having good policy discussions.
To me, they are insane. I don't know what to say. They don't bring much to the table I take seriously. I like some of the principles, but it's not a coherent platform.
Ironically, the same complaints apply to both the libertarian and the Green Party, though I have more beef with Jill Stein than the platform itself.
Re: The 2016 Election
#393> His racist, isolationist policies ... Had to take a pause right there. (Disclosure: I am a Muslim, naturalized American citizen that emigrated to US in '79.) Critiques of Trump's positions are as exagerated as the candidate's own verbiage, perhaps even more so. I will not touch the "racist" item :) but as to "isolationist", this is false at face value. Non-aggression is not isolationism. Very clearly stating that U…
> Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. In that instance not racist since Islam isn't a race however that complete lack of nuance and the absolute torrent of shit he has said makes him incredibly dangerous.
I've noted a moderation and more nuanced position lately.
To be perfectly frank, sometimes I wonder if DJT is not the establishment's strawman designed to keep us with the globalist agenda.
The globalists' agenda is directly responsible for the death of millions of Muslims and likely a substantial number of Iraqi and Syrian Christians, with Sam's choice of president being very much in the loop, starting with her husband's policies (that resulted in the official toll of 500,000 dead Iraqi children, which WJC's secratary of state famously considered as "worth it"), to the destruction of Libya and its attendant miseries, and in Syria with millions of dispossed, and yet another nation in ruin.
As a Muslim, let me assure you, if I was the president, I would make sure every single person arriving from these war zones is fully vetted. Given that I am from West Asia (the so-called Middle East) you should note that neither racism nor aversion to Muslims would motivate that approach. It's just common sense.
Further, while I fully agree that since we have instigated this global crisis and thus even beyond the call of human empathy are responsible and must sleep in the bed that we have made, let it be noted that the best way to help Syrians and refugees is to STOP THESE WARS so they can live in peace in their own homeland. Again, this is just common sense.
Clinton and her fellow travellers (and they are quite a few of them!) are ideologues. And ideologues are dangerous, imo, since it is their ideological framework that does the thinking for them. You can practically substitute any other neo-con/liberal for Hillary Clinton and it would not make an iota of difference.
That said, note, I am voting Jill Stein. I agree with the 10 Nuclear officers that in their recent open letter noted that the psychological profile of Donald Trump is that of a man that can easily be provoked (gamed).
Re: The 2016 Election
#394If I had an employee whose job description involved hiring (or providing advice about hiring) a high-level addition to our company, and said employee advised that we should hire an individual who is widely known to be: - racist - erratic, abusive, and prone to fits of rage - a real threat to the safety of women, minorities, and immigrants - shows little respect for the Constitution, the Republic, or for human decency…
This is exactly the kind of "my politics are so certain they aren't even politics anymore" manipulation that I'm seeing everywhere. Movements don't exist in a vacuum. A massive trend like roughly half the country making a choice you don't agree with is pressing back against _something_, and one of the things it's pressing back against is attitudes like this.
but since when is racist, bragging-about-sexual-assualt-against-women, anti-muslim, "politics"?
I'm critical of supporters of Trump not because of his (Trump's) politics but because of his personal characteristics.
If I was interviewing someone for a job at my company, and I saw a video of them bragging about how they like to sexually assault women, I would not hire that person. No matter how bad-ass a coder he/she was.
Would you?
Re: The 2016 Election
#395> We should all feel a duty to try to understand the roughly > half of the country that thinks we are severely misguided. > I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. > But I’d like to find out, because we have to include > everyone in our path forward. If our best ideas are to > stop talking to or fire anyone who disagrees with us, > we’ll be facing this whole situation again in 2020. > > That kind of…
I agree it's an impressive summary for sure. However, how does one bring forward the 43% that appears to agree so strongly with Trump there isn't really any common ground to have a reasonable discussion around? How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated, and often proud of this fact, raised to believe all other races are a blight against life as they know it, and often are proud of this, truly believ…
>How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated
This is a myth. [0]
>with someone that is uneducated, and often proud of this fact, raised to believe all other races are a blight against life as they know it, and often are proud of this,
>I'm not trying to be coy
I can assure you no one is about to accuse you of that :) [1]
[0]: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-...
[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=define+coy&oq=define+coy&aqs...
Re: The 2016 Election
#396If I had an employee whose job description involved hiring (or providing advice about hiring) a high-level addition to our company, and said employee advised that we should hire an individual who is widely known to be: - racist - erratic, abusive, and prone to fits of rage - a real threat to the safety of women, minorities, and immigrants - shows little respect for the Constitution, the Republic, or for human decency…
So just to clarify. Trump supporter = racist is now a fact?
I never said trump supporters are racist. I just said trump supporters are supporting a racist. And someone who likes to brag that they sexually assault women.
Would you hire a person for your company who brags about sexually assaulting women?
I wouldn't.
Re: The 2016 Election
#397Except Thiel is saying many of the repugnant things that made Trump popular. - Thiel is passionately against all forms of political correctness, just like Trump. - Thiel believes that the 19th amendment destroyed democracy, because women vote in favor for anti-libertarian welfare measures. When faced with the choice between saving democracy and capitalism, Thiel chooses capitalism. Trump shares this antidemocratic se…
"Except Thiel is saying many of the repugnant things that made Trump popular. - Thiel wants to restrict immigration to highly educated people. Just like Trump." Why is this repugnant? One would expect a country to institute immigration policy that benefited that country. If it is the case that some immigration restrictions are beneficial, isn't that a fair and reasonable policy? Is the only acceptable immigration sys…
I believe nearly every country has selective immigration programs, this is nothing new nor controversial.
Re: The 2016 Election
#398I'm not from the US but I'd vote for Trump. To me Hillary represent the imperial US, the economic Hitmen US, the could war US, the NSA US, the make sure Russia-Europe relations are poor US. She represents the elites, the Rothschilds, the banks, the family of secrets, the kill-list, the endless meddling in countries that have a lot of natural resources "for the common good". She represents Guantanamo bay, more drones…
As an American I share your view of Hillary. There are other candidates besides Trump, but I feel like I am taking crazy pills trying to educate people on Hillary's history.
And you will forever have that feeling as long as our K-12 education system continues to brainwash generations that participating in the two party system is synonymous with democracy. It's all they know or have heard of and anything else is foreign and not to be trusted.
Re: The 2016 Election
#399Earlier quoted context omitted.
SNL writer Chris Kelly 'How bout instead of an “I Voted” sticker, everyone who votes Trump gets to wear a scarlet T for the rest of their lives?'[0] Person thinks 40% of people are crazy, racist, hates women etc. Maybe the person who thinks that is the one not understanding the situation. Clinton: Read Wikileaks, study Clinton Foundation (Haiti) Trump: Read news from both sides msm and Breitbart & similar. Scott Adam…
Thinking there is a possibility someone is crazy, racist, or sexist is definitely reasonable if that person is stating they agree with a crazy, racist, sexist. I'd wonder if someone was racist if they supported David Duke.
Hillary Clinton's 'friend and mentor' was KKK member Robert Byrd.[0]
Using the same logic all democrats are now x.
Re: The 2016 Election
#400Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you say "allegedly" when he himself admits to it?
Then why hasn't he been indicted?
Because no one has pressed charges? I don't see how that's relevant. People can be guilty of things they haven't been proven to do in a court of law. I'm not saying he should be thrown in jail without due process, I'm pointing out that he himself has admitted to committing sexual assault, so it seems wrong to have a caveat of "allegedly".