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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#21

Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…

1. Discrimination in the workplace is more pernicious than people reacting to public speech.

2. Political contributions are public speech. That's why they are protected by the Constitution. People have a right to answer to public speech. If an executive goes to publicly declare horrible things, but legal under freedom of speech protection, their actions will have an effect on the economic prospect of the company.

It's not that Brendan Eich donated to the wrong cause, or that Peter Thiel supports the wrong candidate. It's that when you make a public statement, you must be prepared to accept the consequences of your public statement. If you are not, speak in private.

When Rosa Parks said no to the man who asked her to stand up to leave her seat to a white person, she did bear the consequences of her public actions. People who go and support right-wing causes should be held to the same standards. Bearing the consequences is the price of public speech.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#22
post #17

Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…

We are witnessing the emergence of a new degree dysfunction on the left. If it continues to gain traction, it may eclipse the dysfunction that we witnessed on the right in previous decades.

I think that accusing the left as being monolithic and acting unanimously adds to this divide.

Can you describe this trend so we can further the conversation?

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#23

Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…

I agree with you in principle, but not with some of the specifics. Of course Brendan Eich has the right to donate to whichever poitical party he wants. But I found his actions distasteful because, in effect, Eich played a role in trying to limit the liberty of a group of people. I also think that the reaction to that was rather overblown, but it's water under the bridge now.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#24

Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…

Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. It's not left vs right, its humanity denying stances. Denying LGBT are human (which is what the "8" people were about) is a critical issue. Eich tied himself to the wrong side of history, and epically fucked up his CEO response proving he was a bad candidate for that role. He made his own bed and now lies in it. As for Trump... well, this is a presidential candidate desc…

So...what do you think about the women who are still voting for Trump(who number in the millions), even though they've probably seen the same video you have(and come to different conclusions about it being sexual assault).

Are they too stupid to know what's good for them? Trapped in some kind of Trump stockholm syndrome? They enjoy being dehumanized?

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are witnessing the emergence of a new degree dysfunction on the left. If it continues to gain traction, it may eclipse the dysfunction that we witnessed on the right in previous decades.

I think that accusing the left as being monolithic and acting unanimously adds to this divide. Can you describe this trend so we can further the conversation?

> I think that accusing the left as being monolithic and acting unanimously adds to this divide.

Yes. Can you explain how this seemingly apropos of nothing observation contributes to discussion?

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#26

Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…

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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#27
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that accusing the left as being monolithic and acting unanimously adds to this divide. Can you describe this trend so we can further the conversation?

> I think that accusing the left as being monolithic and acting unanimously adds to this divide. Yes. Can you explain how this seemingly apropos of nothing observation contributes to discussion?

Typically when asking someone to substantiate a not-widely-accepted statement, "I asked first" is a valid response.

I asked first.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#28
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think that accusing the left as being monolithic and acting unanimously adds to this divide. Yes. Can you explain how this seemingly apropos of nothing observation contributes to discussion?

Typically when asking someone to substantiate a not-widely-accepted statement, "I asked first" is a valid response. I asked first.

As I expected.

Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#29

Disregarding any issues surrounding the author of this piece, Theil himself, and a cornucopia of issues surrounding the RNC keynote, I must ask one question: Why is political speech only an issue when that speech comes from the political right? This isn't a modern thing, either. I've never seen anyone claim Brendan Eich didn't have a right to donate to his cause, it's just that he donated to the wrong cause, at least…

Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. It's not left vs right, its humanity denying stances. Denying LGBT are human (which is what the "8" people were about) is a critical issue. Eich tied himself to the wrong side of history, and epically fucked up his CEO response proving he was a bad candidate for that role. He made his own bed and now lies in it. As for Trump... well, this is a presidential candidate desc…

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Re: Peter Thiel, YC, and hard decisions

#30
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I really couldn't disagree with you more. It's not left vs right, its humanity denying stances. Denying LGBT are human (which is what the "8" people were about) is a critical issue. Eich tied himself to the wrong side of history, and epically fucked up his CEO response proving he was a bad candidate for that role. He made his own bed and now lies in it. As for Trump... well, this is a presidential candidate desc…

So...what do you think about the women who are still voting for Trump(who number in the millions), even though they've probably seen the same video you have(and come to different conclusions about it being sexual assault). Are they too stupid to know what's good for them? Trapped in some kind of Trump stockholm syndrome? They enjoy being dehumanized?

I guess all I can say is that the truth isn't subject to voters approval.

Human rights and LGBT rights, and women's rights are part of a natural truth. Maybe you can spin that as an opinion, but to me you're denying a logical sequence of reasoning that tells me that everyone deserves equality and respect.

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