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The 2016 Election

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Re: The 2016 Election

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post #154
post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a very dark world where the minority need to legitimately fear the majority. No thank you.

I don't follow what you're trying to say. Could you add a few words?

"Holding people responsible" means punishing, in one way or another. Not doing business with them, trying to get them tossed out of a group, get them fired, shamed, etc. And who is going to do this to whom? Those with the popular opinion would be doing it to those with the unpopular opinion.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #75

>unprecedented threat to America Hillary is an unprecedented threat to the world. But I guess Americans are so cut of from the rest of the world, it's hard for them to see things from others perspective. As a citizen of third world please don't unleash Hillary on us.

You would prefer Trump? Why? Serious question.

Trump is a racist, Hillary is a warmonger. As an American you might be more concerned about racism. But I guess rest of the world is more concerned about drones and missiles that miss the target.

Re: The 2016 Election

#253
post #28

I already made this point today but Hillary Clinton, whom sama is endorsing, has directly contributed to starting two wars (in Syria and Libya). While Trump threatened to ban Muslims from entering the US, her actions have already led to thousands of Muslims being killed. Isn't that strictly worse?

Let's not forget about all the weapons we are selling Saudi Arabia. They are killing civilians with weapons made in the USA.

Let's also not forget the recent Podesta wikileaks email, where they openly admit to Saudi Arabia and Qatar donating to the Clintons while simultaneously funding ISIS.

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774 http://heavy.com/news/2016/10/wikileaks-podesta-emails-guide...

Re: The 2016 Election

#254

Sam, just so you know, many of your sentences could exchange Trump for Hillary and be exactly what Trump supporters I know say. Especially this one: > [Hillary] shows little respect for the Constitution, the Republic, or for human decency, and I fear for national security if [she] becomes our president. Other sentences would just exchange antonyms and not make it sound any better. You call Trump isolationist, they ca…

> Sam, just so you know, many of your sentences could exchange Trump for Hillary and be exactly what Trump supporters I know say. Especially this one: > > [Hillary] shows little respect for the Constitution, the Republic, or for human decency, and I fear for national security if [she] becomes our president. Except one is based on a set of statements made by the candidate and his own campaign, the other is mostly buil…

While I cannot deny the claims and cases of corruption and collusion on the Democratic side, I have to concede that the Trump campaign and the 'alt-right' have taken conspiracy theory culture mainstream.

Re: The 2016 Election

#255
> I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. But I’d like to find out

So, have you not sat down with Thiel and asked him why he supports Trump? If so, what were his reasons.

Re: The 2016 Election

#256
post #6

> We should all feel a duty to try to understand the roughly > half of the country that thinks we are severely misguided. > I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. > But I’d like to find out, because we have to include > everyone in our path forward. If our best ideas are to > stop talking to or fire anyone who disagrees with us, > we’ll be facing this whole situation again in 2020. > > That kind of…

Sam tweeted that this was his favorite article about the election: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on... It really does a great job of helping explain Trump supporters.

i found this article enlightening as well:

http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites...

Re: The 2016 Election

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> His racist, isolationist policies ...

Had to take a pause right there. (Disclosure: I am a Muslim, naturalized American citizen that emigrated to US in '79.)

Critiques of Trump's positions are as exagerated as the candidate's own verbiage, perhaps even more so.

I will not touch the "racist" item :) but as to "isolationist", this is false at face value. Non-aggression is not isolationism. Very clearly stating that US should work with Russia, Syria, and Iran (!) to finish ISIS -- oh, the irony -- is not an "isolationist" position.

There is a very clear choice on the table: Will US continue as one of the principle entities pushing for globalism, or, will we revert back to pre Bush '41 and let the globalist deal with their collapsing house of card in EU and elsewhere, while we reboot substantial industry (read: not "service" industry) in this nation.

[p.s. I am endorsing Jill Stein, per my evaluation of the entailed Karmic risks in this election. /g]

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a very dark world where the minority need to legitimately fear the majority. No thank you.

In this case, the minority are rich and powerful people.

Not really, the minority is anybody who's ever had the wrong opinion on anything that sufficiently socially powerful people think is worth burning the heretics over. If you really need to get at somebody, it may in fact be sufficient to just make something up:

https://twitter.com/nodevember/status/771520648191483904

Re: The 2016 Election

#259
post #24

Except Thiel is saying many of the repugnant things that made Trump popular. - Thiel is passionately against all forms of political correctness, just like Trump. - Thiel believes that the 19th amendment destroyed democracy, because women vote in favor for anti-libertarian welfare measures. When faced with the choice between saving democracy and capitalism, Thiel chooses capitalism. Trump shares this antidemocratic se…

Did Thiel say he likes Trump because of his "authoritarian leadership style"? I'm skeptical.

Re: The 2016 Election

#260
post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I upvoted your comment because I think it's important, even though I disagree with you. Would you mind explaining your position? I think it might be helpful in furthering people's understanding, although it does run some risk of devolving into an argument.

Trump is a new player in politics, whereas Hillary represents business as usual. Hillary means more drone strikes, corporate appeasment, global interventions, weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, and a complete lack of transparency into government. I will not vote for a candidate that represents so much of what is wrong with this country, solely becuase she wants me to believe the other guy is worse. Fear tactics are the la…

I agree with most of that. And I agree that her campaign is mostly about fear tactics. I suppose the difference between us then is just that I think, despite the lameness of fear-as-platform, I think that fear is pretty justified by the thought of Trump being president.

When you honestly consider that prospect, does it not terrify you? I don't mean that question rhetorically.

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