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Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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> I feel like we're headed for disaster on a dozen different concurrent tracks. It has become obvious to me that the reason for humankind's problems is the fact that we refuse our spiritual nature (i.e. as in "connecting with the other side during deep meditation"). I believe our future suffering which seems more and more obvious will force us to reconnect with our spiritual nature. And when that finally happens, on…

>as in "connecting with the other side during deep meditation" The other side of what? (Serious question - I don't understand what you're talking about.)

Of our material nature. We all have a spiritual nature as well, but mostly don't venture to discover it. It adds a very special dimension to an otherwise life with a "meh" appearance.

Basically, we are not alone. We can connect with our spiritual guides, get help, etc.

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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But.... Imo. Top Of Mind did not last at all. Sure for 2 weeks we talked about it. But "it" was the movie. Not the fact destruction is coming.

Interesting...even with a greater existential threat...the lack of available media made it less of a focus? Even if people had wanted to discuss, they wouldn't have had the platform or information available to have a discussion about the threat of nuclear war?

Yes x10. Atomic war..any subject, really. We didn't know what we didn't have. If it wasnt on the tv or paper it didn't exist.

"Oddballs" talked about DDT, women's rights, ozone layer, Poverty, gambling, single parenthood- you name the subject.

Letters to editors gave others' voices. But no way to communicate back. Magazines gave voices too, but weekly or monthly.

Aside from civil rights and anti Vietnam war organizing there was not much organizing going on.

I recall a spray painted "go to dc Jan 20" on a pinball joint in my university city hometown.

Printed flyers on poles organized people for war protests.

The first real "always talked about " thing was Watergate hearings and then of course the Iran hostages and Nightline each night. Constant update on the subject.

Talk radio did not exist back then. Am radio djs talked but. Never political

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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We live in the age of fear because the hose of information that floods us is constantly opened further: Letters → Telegram → Telephone → Radio → TV → Internet → Mobile Internet. Human beings need time to manage their emotions. Time spent waiting. Time being bored. Time when NO new information, not even positive, is arriving. We are constantly distracted and thus increasingly unable to sort out our feelings. That is t…

It's easy for a portion of people on HN to minimize their use of Facebook because most visitors to this site hate ads and have a general dislike and distrust towards the service Facebook offers. On the contrary, the general population doesn't have the same perspective on things since they aren't as technical and probably less educated as many HN visitors so they'll continue to use Facebook disregarding the potential consequences that may arise. Also it doesn't help a lot of people are still using Facebook and still remains a great way to keep up with people.

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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Also, don't discount the role religion plays on fear (yes I am a Christian.) The popular idea in the church is that we are currently living in the end times and the world will progressively become more sinful/dangerous until the earth is destroyed and recreated by Jesus. This is a relatively new idea since the 19th century, but represents the current theological and emotional state of the church today. Look at Islam…

Millennialism has been popular in the U.S. for hundreds of years [1]; for a long time postmillennialism (1000 years of peace will precede the second coming of Christ) was the predominant ideology. Much social change, including the abolition of slavery, was justified by religious groups trying to bring in this 1000 year peace.

I agree with your overall point that a different apocalyptic view is becoming the mainstream in religious circles: that the end-times is imminent. I disagree that the religious systems are the cause; I believe that these viewpoints are becoming more popular as anxiety increases among these groups. Rural (Evangelical) Americans are genuinely experiencing decreased economic opportunity; young Muslims in Europe also experience an inability to be accepted in society and are locked out of the job market far worse than Christian youth.

I don't disagree with your analysis but I thought I should add some more information because I think it's interesting.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennialism#Reformation_and_...

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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As a 23 year old I can only imagine what it was like to live through the cold war with the colossal fear of nuclear annihilation soaking into every activity/decision. I feel like it must have been so overwhelming yet intangible - in some ways a nuclear holocaust is much less painful than losing a loved one in a car accident or seeing your country splinter into violent factions. A nuclear holocaust is a quick, binary…

Late 70's, 80's, nobody worried much about it except at the fringes in the US. The Nuclear Freeze movement got a lot of attention in Europe, 99 Luftballons got some play in the US, kids danced. But the masses in the US had gotten used to the Detente/SALT Treaty era.

The early boomers were scarred somewhat (and still are) by red menace training. They might take stuff like Red Dawn as a serious drama, while it was a bit more like Rushmore for the rest of us.

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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Yes I should clarify not all denominations believe this, but it is the most dominant view within Protestant circles (see Left Behind, etc).

I wouldn't consider it the dominant Protestant view at all. Maybe amongst Evangelicals ( a subset of Protestants). Even amongst Evangelicals I doubt such literal Millinialist views as expressed in Left Behind are the overwhelmingly majority.

You would likely be mistaken. An overt goal of pro-Israel fundraising by Evangelical groups is to accelerate population of the Holy Land (Levant) by the Jews in order to fulfill end-of-days prophesy [1].

Does anyone have any information whether this viewpoint was significant in the early U.S. foreign aid support of Israel (1930-1970)? I am uneducated in this segment of U.S. history.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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>rather than letting those viewpoints tear you apart. Is that not what you're already doing? How can you bring light into your family's life when you're full of darkness? It's okay to let people be wrong and biased, because haven't we all been? >Would you like to save the world from the degradation and destruction it seems destined for? Then step away from shallow mass movements and quietly go to work on your own sel…

Sorry to be pedantic, but I googled the quote because it didn't sound like Lao Tzu to me. It's a nice quote, but it sounds vaguely Buddhist. It looks like it was written in a Taoist book called the Hua Hu Ching several hundred years after Lao Tzu's death, as a Taoist response to Buddhism.

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Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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According to [some survey], Americans are most afraid of corruption of government officials... This is so rational (obviously corruption is common) and long-term-focused (corruption will eventually destroy the state, but it will take a really long time) that I'm a bit impressed by my fellow citizens...

I suspect that it's the opposite of what you might hope it would be. I suspect that the fear of corruption of government officials is almost entirely based on accusations of corruption from their political opponents, and that those same Americans don't believe that "their" politicians are equally corrupt.

I do think there is actual corruption on all sides, simply because of the fact that money and campaign donations are such huge factors in the political process. I think every American should be horrified by this and should be doing everything they can to take money out of what is effectively our hiring process for high-level government officials.

However, I fear that this is not what [some survey] picked up on. I fear that [some survey] picked up on fans of politician X believing X's accusations of corruption on the part of politician Y were true, while simultaneously not believing allegations of corruption about their own candidate. And vice versa. I fear that all [some survey] picked up on is the sheer toxicity of the process nowadays, and not people who are concerned about the integrity of the political process itself.

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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post #132

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>rather than letting those viewpoints tear you apart. Is that not what you're already doing? How can you bring light into your family's life when you're full of darkness? It's okay to let people be wrong and biased, because haven't we all been? >Would you like to save the world from the degradation and destruction it seems destined for? Then step away from shallow mass movements and quietly go to work on your own sel…

Sorry to be pedantic, but I googled the quote because it didn't sound like Lao Tzu to me. It's a nice quote, but it sounds vaguely Buddhist. It looks like it was written in a Taoist book called the Hua Hu Ching several hundred years after Lao Tzu's death, as a Taoist response to Buddhism.

The Huahujing (Hua Hu Ching) is traditionally attributed to Lao Tzu (Laozi), though there is no real use in being pedantic about the identity or timeline of Lao Tzu -- no one knows.

Moreover, English translations of the Tao Te Ching vary immensely and are highly subjective, as ancient Chinese hardly translates onto English. The quote is but one of many different translations.

Re: Why We're Living in the Age of Fear

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One of the big drivers of fear in the US is the basic feeling that life is harder than it used to be. The implicit guarantee from society that if you finished school and worked hard you would have a good life is broken. Trump has tapped into this feeling, with unexpected success.

In reality, we have met the enemy, and them is us. The US's major problems are internal, not external. The US's economic problems are mostly because we haven't figured out what to do about automation. What are average people with an average high school education going to do? That's the big problem.

As for threats, terrorism is down in the noise of routine shootings. ISIS can hurt us a little now and then, but no way could they invade the US and take over. Militant Islam will continue to be a headache worldwide, but most of the strongly Islamic states are failed states. Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt - all were once strong states able to project power, and now they can't.

Climate change is more of a threat outside the US than to the US directly. The US isn't going to get unlivable temperatures like parts of the Middle East. Rising temperatures mean agriculture moves north, and the US has lots of underutilized north. Most of the US is above the levels affected by sea level rise. (Except Florida. Florida has a big problem. Miami already has to pump out their city regularly.)

Nuclear weapons proliferation is a worry, yet one that doesn't show up much politically. North Korea has nuclear weapons, at least medium-range ballistic missiles, and a dictator with the power to use them. It's getting too easy to make nuclear weapons. After all, the technology is 70 years old now.

China is the next superpower, and nobody knows what they'll do. Probably nothing really foolish. Their leadership is not stupid.

Are we really living in an age of fear, or is that a feeling people in the media get from listening to their own output too much?

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