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The 2016 Election

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Re: The 2016 Election

#31
> I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. But I’d like to find out, because we have to include everyone in our path forward.

I think this video by the Guardian helps to clear up why some people are Trump supporters: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/12/west-v...

Re: The 2016 Election

#32

> (of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). So when he wrote that giving women the right to vote has been eroding capitalist democracy ... ?

sounds like the difference between a normative statement and a positive statement might be relevant here

Re: The 2016 Election

#33

> We shouldn’t start purging people for supporting the wrong political candidate. That's not how things are done in this country. Amen.

I am always skeptical when somebody takes his personal opinion as the metric to tell the world what right and wrong is.

Re: The 2016 Election

#34
post #9

So does Sam denounce the previous actions of YC banning companies who supported SOPA from demo day? Either YC is an organization that takes political stands or it's not.

I think those organizations were wrong to support SOPA, and it was wrong for us to say we wouldn't invite them to Demo Day.

Re: The 2016 Election

#36
post #5

> of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). This is precisely where your whole argument fell apart. If money is speech (and SCOTUS tells us it is) and Thiel donates over $1 million to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying. Money talks. In our society, it's almost always even louder than the calm reasoning of a rationalis…

"If money is speech (and SCOTUS tells us it is) and Thiel donates over $1 million to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying."

And wasn't this the argument made by those who supported the ouster of Brendan Eich from Mozilla?

Re: The 2016 Election

#37
post #17

Bravo to Sam for the endorsement and for calling Trump out for what he is. On the issue of Peter Thiel, for those of you that believe it's wrong to fire someone based on their political actions, is there any limit? If David Duke ran for office, or the Ku Klux Klan fielded a candidate for president, and someone gave a high profile speech endorsing them and supported their campaign with a million dollars, would it stil…

We are talking here about 40-50% of the American electorate not some fringe maniac. If you think those people's opinion should be shunned than your world view seems very restricted to me.

People need to understand, about 43% of eligible electorate are going to Vote for Trump. Its better trying to understand them rather than demonize them. What next, no funding to start-ups in Texas since it voted Trump.

Trump is obnoxious but Stalinist purges are not an answer for it.

Re: The 2016 Election

#38
post #5

> of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). This is precisely where your whole argument fell apart. If money is speech (and SCOTUS tells us it is) and Thiel donates over $1 million to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying. Money talks. In our society, it's almost always even louder than the calm reasoning of a rationalis…

Haven't looked deep into the thought behind the "money is speech" situation, but it seems extreme to say that giving money is the same as talking.

Let's assume Alice supports a candidate not because of their general positions but because of a certain niche position that person A thinks is really important.

If you hate a certain position the candidate believes but person A might feel ambivalent about, is it fair to redirect that anger to Alice?

The major difference I see between the candidate and Alice is simply that if another candidate that came along without the position you may hate but still having the niche belief, they may switch quite quickly.

Re: The 2016 Election

#39
Could I please, pretty please with a cherry on top, have one sanctuary that isn't infested with "Vote for X, because Y is unacceptable"? It's already been done everywhere else ad nauseam.

Re: The 2016 Election

#40

YC: Happy to cut people off over SOPA support. YC: Can't bring itself to even censure a billionaire who only works with them "part-time" for supporting actual hatred and sexual abuse. I await this thread filling up with "but how you can be tolerant if you don't tolerate intolerance?!" and other Phil-101 Do You Sees

For what it's worth, the former was YC under pg and the latter is YC under Sam Altman. Maybe the two disagree about how things should be done?
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