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The 2016 Election

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Re: The 2016 Election

#21
The image I like to remember is the victorious Ulysses S. Grant telling the defeated Robert E. Lee and his officers to keep their horses, keep their sidearms, and go home to their families, but not before being fed from Union rations.

Lee returned to his men and said: "Go and be as good a citizen as you were soldiers".

And Grant went to his: "Stop the firing. The Rebels are our countrymen again."

Lincoln later remarked: “To be harsh or spiteful, or punish them, or throw (the Union's) win in their face, was not going to do anybody any good.”

If these great men could so magnanimous after a vicious and bloody war, what does it say about us that we are so spiteful and triumphalist in the course of ordinary politics.

Re: The 2016 Election

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> of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). This is precisely where your whole argument fell apart. If money is speech (and SCOTUS tells us it is) and Thiel donates over $1 million to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying. Money talks. In our society, it's almost always even louder than the calm reasoning of a rationalis…

With your logic, so Sam Altman effectively is saying half of trump of supporters are a basket of deplorables?

She apologized the next day though.

Re: The 2016 Election

#24
Except Thiel is saying many of the repugnant things that made Trump popular.

- Thiel is passionately against all forms of political correctness, just like Trump.

- Thiel believes that the 19th amendment destroyed democracy, because women vote in favor for anti-libertarian welfare measures. When faced with the choice between saving democracy and capitalism, Thiel chooses capitalism. Trump shares this antidemocratic sentiment.

- Thiel: "A startup is basically structured as a monarchy. We don’t call it that, of course." Trump shares this authoritarian leadership style.

- Thiel wants to restrict immigration to highly educated people. Just like Trump.

- Thiel is the (primary?) backer of Curtis Yarvin, the alt-right (read: white supremacist) thoughtleader about "human biodiversity" (read: why some races are biologically inferior). Trump has proudly declared his biologically superior ancestry.

- Thiel is a climate skeptic: "The idea that human activity alters the climate is "more pseudoscience" than science". Trump famously called global warming a hoax invented by the Chinese.

- They're both billionaires that want to lower taxes for the 1%.

Thiel supports Trump because Thiel agrees with Trump. Really.

Re: The 2016 Election

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Why would Sam not go for a third party who was less problematic? There are third party candidates available. Is it because they are unlikely to be elected? If so, this thinking keeps on trapping us into voting for the least bad of the bad.

> Donald Trump represents an unprecedented threat to America, and voting for Hillary is the best way to defend our country against it

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #5

> of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). This is precisely where your whole argument fell apart. If money is speech (and SCOTUS tells us it is) and Thiel donates over $1 million to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying. Money talks. In our society, it's almost always even louder than the calm reasoning of a rationalis…

Completely agree here. His $1 million contribution has far more impact for Trump's potential Presidency, than a single vote does.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #10

Why would Sam not go for a third party who was less problematic? There are third party candidates available. Is it because they are unlikely to be elected? If so, this thinking keeps on trapping us into voting for the least bad of the bad.

Yes--honestly, for me this is much more about not electing Trump than electing Clinton.

Re: The 2016 Election

#28
I already made this point today but Hillary Clinton, whom sama is endorsing, has directly contributed to starting two wars (in Syria and Libya). While Trump threatened to ban Muslims from entering the US, her actions have already led to thousands of Muslims being killed. Isn't that strictly worse?

Re: The 2016 Election

#29
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> We should all feel a duty to try to understand the roughly > half of the country that thinks we are severely misguided. > I don’t understand how 43% of the country supports Trump. > But I’d like to find out, because we have to include > everyone in our path forward. If our best ideas are to > stop talking to or fire anyone who disagrees with us, > we’ll be facing this whole situation again in 2020. > > That kind of…

Sam tweeted that this was his favorite article about the election: http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-on...

It really does a great job of helping explain Trump supporters.

Re: The 2016 Election

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post #16
post #5

> of course, if Peter said some of the things Trump says himself, he would no longer be part of Y Combinator). This is precisely where your whole argument fell apart. If money is speech (and SCOTUS tells us it is) and Thiel donates over $1 million to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying. Money talks. In our society, it's almost always even louder than the calm reasoning of a rationalis…

With your logic, so Sam Altman effectively is saying half of trump of supporters are a basket of deplorables?

More then half.
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