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.NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by MertsA »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #135
Tharre wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean pulling the plug instead of shutting down normally? I suppose that'd work but usually you only realize that Windows wants to update _after_ you hit the shutdown button. And powering the machine down in this state will likely result in an unbootable machine. And good luck fixing that, especially if your hard-drive is encrypted.

As a Windows system admin, I can confirm this is incredibly rare. Windows is pretty darn good at recovering from broken update states.

Eh, honestly compared to other operating systems it's really not. Windows 10 is starting to get there.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by eitland »

qb45 wrote: post #208
swsieber wrote: post #147

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Set back the system clock. I watch movies on my laptop while I exercise. One day I was about to start exercising and Windows was like "Would you like to update now or in 10 minutes?" And I was like "I'm going to watch my movie," and set back my system clock, and surprisingly, it worked. (I find this experience funny because moving back the clock was a knee-jerk reaction and it actually worked)

MSFT here. Thank you your report. I have escalated your issue to the Windows Update team. Microsoft is committed to your security and the loophole will promptly be closed by another forced update. Resistance is futile.

Know you are joking but still want to mention:

A while ago I reported that the pw field in W10 gave away a lot of entropy easily (basically ctrl+arrow keys stopped between every character class so if your password was: newr..!VYIV you could in five seconds conclude that the password contains of 4 chars of something, then 3 chars of something else, then 4 characters of something other than the second group.)

Whoever handled it concluded that it was absolutely "interesting" but not a security issue so no bounty for me :-/

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by petagonoral »

roblabla wrote: post #143
BorgHunter wrote: post #125

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What version of Windows do you use? My desktop uses the latest version of 10 (AFAIK) and the shut down button reads something like "Shut Down and Install Updates" when Windows wants to install an update. I also remember 7 having a little orange icon next to the shut down button when it was going to install an update. Granted, I don't think there's a way to properly shut down without the update in an I-have-five-minut…

IIRC there is. You can log out, and then have the option to not apply the updates (you'll have Shut down or update and shut down in the poweroff menu).

You can shutdown without applying updates if you use 'Alt + F4' to initiate shutdown

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by chrisper »

scandox wrote: post #136
dotancohen wrote: post #71

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No. But honestly, spend a weekend learning Gimp. It's a pain, yes I know, but I'm really glad that I did. The official tutorials are wonderful. You'll be able to do so much more, and do it so much better, and even a bit quicker than you could in Paint.NET that you'll wind up preferring Gimp even in Windows. Just be sure to use single-window mode.

single-window mode! That is so much better. Don't know how I missed that for so long.

I think it was implemented as an option later on.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

ygra wrote: post #73
CWuestefeld wrote: post #70

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Twice I've been bit by the unexpected updates during shutdown during a power failure . At home my UPS is only good for 5 minutes, so I want to shut down as soon as the power goes down. I do that, and Windows starts on "Installing 17 updates", with absolutely no way for me to intervene. And powering down in the middle of OS updates has to be about the worst possible time for it.

It will simply roll back the half-finished updates and retry the next shutdown. Those things are done transactional. Powering down won't hurt it.

Anecdotally I'm 1-for-1 on forced shutdown breaking Windows 10. It messed up the users user account; recovery was done by rolling back in System Restore.

So I'll go with powering down shouldn't hurt it.

It wasn't however update related. The user went to shutdown, the computer said "no" (apps are open, blah blah) and the user held the power button down.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by macco »

cozuya wrote: post #197

Here's my anecdata after recently attempting to move permanently from Windows to Linux Mint: * No logitech mouse support = severely disabled experience. I can't use any of the extra mouse buttons in the way I want on my Performance MX. And yes I did spend several hours trying to get it to work but it seems that the button mapping works only for keyboard commands and even that I couldn't make work. And never could mak…

For developers I would strongly advice to use Antergos or Manjaro (imo the better option). They are both based on Arch Linux. With them you can experience the power of the Arch package manager and the aur.

The whole installation process would just be one line. The same if you want to install, VSCode, Atom, Android Studio, etc.

For developers Arch is the best operating system since sliced bread.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by jaegerpicker »

coldpie wrote: post #131
gwbas1c wrote: post #123

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The updates drove me away from Windows 10 years ago. I still have a windows machine for occasional games. What drives me nuts is "Install Updates and Shut Down" leads to a 15 minute boot time. WTF? I thought all that was supposed to finish before the computer turned off???

What games keep you on Windows? It is my job to solve that problem, we'd love to help you out.

Star Wars: The Old Republic Witcher 3 Watch_dogs Overwatch Mirror's Edge (both games) Paragon

There is a general selection of games I play but can only play on windows. In general I settle for the Mac graphics stack proforming on par with Windows.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by eitland »

Skunkleton wrote: post #203
libeclipse wrote: post #201

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I use Arch Linux and I haven't faced any of the problems you mention. I don't game so this might be slightly skewed, but there's not a single thing on Windows that would tempt me into using it. Also the sudo point I completely disagree with. It comes down to security or convenience, and it's a damned shame that people pick convenience.

Further, if you are doing a bunch of administrative tasks from the CLI, sudo will keep you authenticated. If you really want, you could even open up a root shell. I think the real problem is that the Right Way(tm) to do things is completely non obvious to a linux novice. Looking back on my times starting out with linux (ubuntu 6.06), I remember a lot of similar frustrations. Really, there is no middle ground, you are…

> If you really want, you could even open up a root shell.

For those new to Linux: this can be done as simple as "sudo su -". More details here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/376199/sudo-su-vs-sudo-i-vs-s...

That said, -in my book using root except for updates is often a sign that someone misunderstood or that something is misconfigured or something.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

verbify wrote: post #83
ygra wrote: post #73

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It will simply roll back the half-finished updates and retry the next shutdown. Those things are done transactional. Powering down won't hurt it.

So the message 'do not turn off your computer' is just a suggestion?

Why it couldn't be an "install updates now?" prompt with default set by the admin is beyond me.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by unethical_ban »

coldpie wrote: post #131
gwbas1c wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The updates drove me away from Windows 10 years ago. I still have a windows machine for occasional games. What drives me nuts is "Install Updates and Shut Down" leads to a 15 minute boot time. WTF? I thought all that was supposed to finish before the computer turned off???

What games keep you on Windows? It is my job to solve that problem, we'd love to help you out.

Overwatch - Windows/Mac only.
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