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.NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by WayneBro »

alimbada wrote: post #186
WayneBro wrote: post #178

So, instead of taking 30 seconds to disable automatic Windows Updates, this person decided to have a hissy fit and throw the baby out with the bath water. The instructions are pretty simple. You have to toggle one setting. Done - http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8013-windows-update-autom...

The caveat being that this one setting is only availble for Pro and Enterprise editions of Windows 10.

That's a very small and insignificant caveat. It's like saying that Linux is no good because there's this one distro (ChromeOS) that doesn't let you do anything.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by Grishnakh »

witty_username wrote: post #159
valarauca1 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keeping /home on its own disk is Unix101

I don't do that. What's the reasoning behind that?

It doesn't need to be on a separate disk, just a separate partition. The reasoning is that this makes it really easy to change your distro without affecting your data: all your data is (or should be) in /home, with the possible exception of any databases or webservers you're running (which would mean you're running your PC more like a server, so this won't apply to typical desktop users). You can wipe out everything in your root partition but your data is safe and secure. Putting it on a totally separate disk makes it even more foolproof since you can just cut power to that disk and then there's no way for it to be affected by the system upgrade, but that's overkill IMO.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by WayneBro »

king_magic wrote: post #190
WayneBro wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...rare people with the luxury over control of those settings in their workplace. Would you kindly provide a citation for that statement? I've been programming on Windows for twenty years in various corporations - never had a problem getting Admin rights on my own machine... I'm now a consultant and I visit many, many, many job sites - and I just don't see it being a problem. Furthermore - Linux wouldn't solve the…

It's a huge problem in more restricted environments - e.g., investment banks. Admin access can be very hard to come by.

OK whether it's a problem or not is definitely up for debate.

The bigger point here is that switching to Linux would not help those people either.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by 9mit3t2m9h9a »

witty_username wrote: post #158
hedora wrote: post #140

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It is seriously that bad now? You have to touch windows update three times a week?!? That sounds like an even bigger time sink than the whole "find a new Debian derivative because Unity breaks the alt key, and systemd breaks everything else" thing.

You don't need to switch distros to install other desktop environments. What did systemd break?

In this specific context I'd guess startx/xinit

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by kefka »

luckroy wrote: post #107
keyle wrote: post #82

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I'm glad I'm not the only one that was mad about that. My PC just shut off and started doing updates, in the middle of the day. My friend said "how much did you pay for Windows 10." I said "nothing, it's free update." then he said "There you go."

Most no-cost Linux-class OS/WM's don't shut themselves down for updates.

I'm sure I could write a cronjob that would be naggy and demand to do what Windows does.

And I could even use SELinux so even as root, couldn't kill it. That's what "System" is, right?

/grrrr

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by teh_klev »

WayneBro wrote: post #183
runjake wrote: post #180

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This works well for the those rare people with the luxury over control of those settings in their workplace. I actually like the Automatic Update feature. I don't need to remember to run updates myself all the time. That said, I've been bitten by an hour-long unusable computer scenario and it's been a bummer, to say the least.

> ...rare people with the luxury over control of those settings in their workplace. Would you kindly provide a citation for that statement? I've been programming on Windows for twenty years in various corporations - never had a problem getting Admin rights on my own machine... I'm now a consultant and I visit many, many, many job sites - and I just don't see it being a problem. Furthermore - Linux wouldn't solve the…

Clearly you've never worked for a major UK bank. Sure there may be a handful of very specific developers who get full admin rights over their machines where whatever they're developing requires elevated privileges, but these machines are often sandboxed.

In many cases you're stuck as a "Power User" or whatever group policy the IT department deems sufficient for you to run Visual Studio (or IntelliJ etc). Been there done that twice in my career.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by cozuya »

Here's my anecdata after recently attempting to move permanently from Windows to Linux Mint:

* No logitech mouse support = severely disabled experience. I can't use any of the extra mouse buttons in the way I want on my Performance MX. And yes I did spend several hours trying to get it to work but it seems that the button mapping works only for keyboard commands and even that I couldn't make work. And never could make the mouse wheel move at what I consider to be fast enough. Very frustrating.

* While it supposedly exists, I could not make f.lux work. This essentially prevents me from using my computer at all at night.

* The ridiculous amount of times I have to type in my password (and use sudo) is really user unfriendly. Yes I'm sure there's way to disable this or even use root but the average non developer user is going to be hugely turned off by this.

* Node is really, really good on Mint. A full stack MERN/gulp application took 10 seconds(!) to yarn. On windows it would take 2-3 minutes. And chrome just seems much faster for dev. While working on a multiplayer game with 5 windows open (MultiLogin) all of which are connected to livereload, it is about twice as fast for reloads vs windows and a bit faster than macos/macbook pro. Gulp itself takes about 20 seconds to start up on windows the first time is instant here.

So in the end there's just no way I'm going to use Mint for every day use i.e. websurfing and of course gaming. I'll switch to it when I want to do serious heads-down dev.. maybe. To be honest the fact that its a bit faster for node probably won't be a good enough incentive to go through the hassle of setting up a dual boot.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by pjmlp »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #177
pjmlp wrote: post #57

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Good luck running desktop GNU/Linux stuff properly on Android/Linux. The set of APIs exposed to the NDK is so constrained that Google can replace the Linux kernel with something else and only OEMs writing drivers will notice.

Funny you mention that. Fuchsia seems to be the replacement for Linux.

Check also Brillo.

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by WayneBro »

teh_klev wrote: post #196
WayneBro wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...rare people with the luxury over control of those settings in their workplace. Would you kindly provide a citation for that statement? I've been programming on Windows for twenty years in various corporations - never had a problem getting Admin rights on my own machine... I'm now a consultant and I visit many, many, many job sites - and I just don't see it being a problem. Furthermore - Linux wouldn't solve the…

Clearly you've never worked for a major UK bank. Sure there may be a handful of very specific developers who get full admin rights over their machines where whatever they're developing requires elevated privileges, but these machines are often sandboxed. In many cases you're stuck as a "Power User" or whatever group policy the IT department deems sufficient for you to run Visual Studio (or IntelliJ etc). Been there d…

Right, but switching to Linux will not solve anything for those people either because they will not be allowed to do that either.

The person who wrote this up article obviously has complete control over their computer don't they?

Re: .NET on Linux – bye, Windows 10

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Post by nulagrithom »

WayneBro wrote: post #178

So, instead of taking 30 seconds to disable automatic Windows Updates, this person decided to have a hissy fit and throw the baby out with the bath water. The instructions are pretty simple. You have to toggle one setting. Done - http://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/8013-windows-update-autom...

The post was titled ".NET on Linux", not "Why Windows 10 is garbage". The forced update is just an easy and "fun" excuse to switch.

Maybe take a look at the last paragraph:

> To sum up – I’m not trying to say that Windows is not so good for the software development. For example, the Visual Studio will be probably hard to beat for many years amongst many other great tools. My point is that if you’re not tied up to some specific technology which is not cross platform (which usually means for the Windows users only), you might want to give a try to some other environment. It’s always a good thing to try out something new, hone skills and broaden your horizons.

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