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The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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> The Democrats were happy to keep importing voters I think it's important not to discount the difficulty of securing the border because of the size of it. And as you mention, American companies (like Smithfield) are happy to create incentives for border hopping because they can use the threat of calling INS to keep wages low and prevent unions from forming. The problem with the idea of widespread voting fraud is the…

I'm not talking about fraudulent voting by illegal immigrants, I'm talking about the fact that they eventually become citizens when amnesty rolls around, and their kids become citizens automatically by birthright.

But the children who are citizens automatically by birth, you don't think they're more predisposed to want to stay here and to improve their communities if they end up staying? Are you suggesting that their allegiances ultimately lie elsewhere? Does that extend to children of immigrants born here legally?

If so, this is the same rhetoric used to discriminate or marginalize the early generations of immigrants in NY last century; my grandparents went through it. Not a lot of fun.

And if this is a ploy to gain sympathy to a particular party, I think that party deserves that continued support. Trust extended to the outsider begets trust as that outsider lays downs roots, and those children and their children would be likely to vote the same way by gratitude or tradition. Even if it distorts the way they would vote without that influence, I think the country overall benefits when immigrant communities feel supported, looking forward, participating in society, not isolated from it. It's how our country changes, grows, adapts.

Re: The Nobel Prize in Literature 2016 awarded to Bob Dylan

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In the time since Dylan started signing black people went from having very limited rights to winning a presidential elections. Obviously, there are many more factors than Dylan at play, and establishing causality, or the lack of thereof, is impossible. But, in my opinion, saying that society has not changed would be a big mistake.

Attributing any of that "progress" to Bob Dylan is a huge reach. He has a lot of fans and reached some segment of the population with his act, but he's basically just another guy peddling records and tap dancing for nickels.

You don't need to attribute the change to him for it to not be sad if he joins the mainstream. If mainstream values converge with Dylan's, why shouldn't he?
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