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The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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What I find the neatest is that it's not just showing hexadecimals, but the binary representation at the same time. In the Birkana symbol for 9 it's very easy to recognize the binary 1001: it has the top and bottom 'bits' set. It also made me aware that I never thought about the symbols we use for numbers. Our digits 0 through 9 suddenly seem very arbitrary, looking at Birkana. Though ten digits are more difficult th…

As for the logic behind our decimal digits, there was an explanation going around for it, but at best it's probably reaching very hard. I'll let you decide: http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=49183

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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Fun fact: you can count to hexadecimal on the fingers of one hand. The way it works is that each of your four fingers has four well-defined places on them: the three joints, plus the tip. You use your thumb to point at one of these. The first finger represents 1-4, the second 5-8, the third 9-12, the fourth 13-16. You count up and down by moving your thumb. Also, because you use the thumb of the same hand for pointin…

Or if you point just the joints, not the tips, you get base 12.

If you count multiples of 12 with the five fingers in the other hand, you get to 60.

And this is the reason we have the 12-hour, 60-minute system, and other sexagesimal systems, ever since ancient Babylonia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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I had reinvented these symbols, without knowing Birkana, for one of my hobby alphabets at high school. I had given a lot of thought with my high-schooler leisure time and haven't been able find more simple system with enough data capacity. I think readability suffers from similarity though.

They also look like some symbols from Old Turkic alphabet, If I recall correctly it was my source of inspiration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Turkic_alphabet

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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Fun fact: you can count to hexadecimal on the fingers of one hand. The way it works is that each of your four fingers has four well-defined places on them: the three joints, plus the tip. You use your thumb to point at one of these. The first finger represents 1-4, the second 5-8, the third 9-12, the fourth 13-16. You count up and down by moving your thumb. Also, because you use the thumb of the same hand for pointin…

Or if you point just the joints, not the tips, you get base 12. If you count multiples of 12 with the five fingers in the other hand, you get to 60. And this is the reason we have the 12-hour, 60-minute system, and other sexagesimal systems, ever since ancient Babylonia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexagesimal

Coincidentally, I am reading a leading history of mathematics, and just read the section on Mesopotamian math (the source of our base 60 customs, such as time, degrees in circle, etc.).

The Sumerians (of Mesopotamia, as was Babylon) not only used base 60, but also were the first known to use position or place value to indicate power of 60 the same way we do in base 10, a significant invention. For contrast, the Romans did not use position: IV is 4, not 15. Thus 11 (imagine Sumerian characters; sorry I don't know my Unicode well enough) in Sumerian is 61 in our contemporary system, and 563 in Sumerian would be 18,363 today. I'm impressed: Could people work with these numbers in their heads? Did someone doing Sumerian addition and multiplication have to memorize 60 x 60 tables, the way we memorized 10 x 10 tables in grade school? (The historian is silent on this matter.)

> if you point just the joints, not the tips, you get base 12. / If you count multiples of 12 with the five fingers in the other hand, you get to 60. / And this is the reason we have the 12-hour ...

The historian doesn't mention this (and how would anyone know today how the Mesopotamians counted on their hands?), but does say, "There is reason to believe that this choice of 60 rather than 10 as a unit occurred in an attempt to unify systems of measure, although the fact that 60 has many divisors may also have played a role."

Other societies commonly have used base 20 (my speculation: maybe natural if you are barefoot or wear sandals) and base 5. I highly recommend the book, the leader in its time (1987) and maybe still today:

A Concise History of Mathematics, 4th revised Ed., by Dirk Struik

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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post #27

The bibi-binary notation is somewhat similar (16 === 2^2^2). It was patented in 1968 by Bobby Lapointe, a French variety singer, but didn't get much traction AFAICT. Bibi-binary also has a custom pronunciation for hex digits. The article is in French[0], but the main illustration that describes the system is self-explanatory[1]. 0. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syst%C3%A8me_Bibi-binaire 1. https://upload.wikimedia.or…

What's with the different BI/KI shapes? I would have expected them to be just rotated variations of each other, like for example BA/KE are

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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That's just binary? I find hex notation much easier to use and to communicate verbally.

The point is that as you get used to reading them, you will recognise the complete glyph as a hex digit, without puzzling over the binary details. Just like reading any other script. This does not work for quartets like 0100

This is a good point, but you get the same from standard Hex notation.

But standard Hex notation has the advantage that I can say FF to someone, but how do I pronounce these things? I guess this could have merit, but I just don't have much of an issue using standard Hex notation.

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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post #28

Fun fact: you can count to hexadecimal on the fingers of one hand. The way it works is that each of your four fingers has four well-defined places on them: the three joints, plus the tip. You use your thumb to point at one of these. The first finger represents 1-4, the second 5-8, the third 9-12, the fourth 13-16. You count up and down by moving your thumb. Also, because you use the thumb of the same hand for pointin…

Counting in binary gets you even further. If each finger is one bit, you can easily count to 2^10-1 == 1023. I frequently use this to keep track of running totals over 10.

There was a teacher in high school that taught his classes to count in binary on their fingers. It became common for students to flip the double bird at each other in the halls yelling "132!"

Re: The Birkana hexadecimal number symbols

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It somewhat reminds me of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bruce_Martin_hexadecimal_...

I've also seen various notation for writing numbers in hex used by some reversers/crackers/demosceners mostly from Eastern European countries, who probably used hex enough to develop something similar to a stylised form of 0-F but distinctly different from those letters/numbers for easier reading and writing. (This was when home computers were still relatively new, and it was usual to make great amounts of handwritten material when working with them.)

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