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Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by ewr24 » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:04 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #7

ewr24 wrote: post #3

Does anyone have link to original sources? Most houses in EU already have "charging point", it is called electric plug. 25A/380V plugs are pretty common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_multiphase_powe... But electric grids in western countries (Germany, UK) are absolutely not ready for such thing. German power grid would collapse if Czechia and Poland started enforcing their safety regulations. This reg…

> 25A/380V plugs are pretty common Not in homes.

My experience is from post communist countryside. Everyone has some machinery to cut wood, mix concrete, welding...

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by Ericson2314 » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:06 PM UTC

smorrow wrote: post #4

tf2manu994 wrote: post #2

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

It's a silicon valley fantasy. Rest of the country right or left doesn't think about it so much.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by funkyy » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:16 PM UTC

ewr24 wrote: post #11

DanBC wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 25A/380V plugs are pretty common Not in homes.

My experience is from post communist countryside. Everyone has some machinery to cut wood, mix concrete, welding...

Countryside - but cities, probably main market for electric cars does not have this.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by smorrow » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

Ericson2314 wrote: post #12

smorrow wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

It's a silicon valley fantasy. Rest of the country right or left doesn't think about it so much.

I see the utopian version as an /r/futurology kind of thing, and they're all a bunch of brainwashed communists on there.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by ewr24 » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:26 PM UTC

funkyy wrote: post #13

ewr24 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is from post communist countryside. Everyone has some machinery to cut wood, mix concrete, welding...

Countryside - but cities, probably main market for electric cars does not have this.

Main market is countryside with a commute to local city. Cities often do not even have a parking spot and public transport is faster.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by nashashmi » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:29 PM UTC

smorrow wrote: post #4

tf2manu994 wrote: post #2

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

Majority of the time a car is not driving. At any point in time, only 10℅ of cars are on the road. For an average car that is 20k$, that is a big waste of investment for everybody in terms of resources and time.

Car sharing is a temporary fix. The real fix is when cars can be brought to your doorstep without a driver. And you can just ride off.

But the more cool and more disruptive thought is when the car take you anywhere you want to go. Lots of transportation modes might become obsolete then.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by makomk » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:31 PM UTC

Hmmm. It's not like installing the charging points later is terribly difficult or expensive compared to the cost of the cars themselves, so long as there's a suitable garage or parking space. Are they outlawing new homes and home refurbishments without garages or similar suitable for electric cars? That'd be quite some subsidy for the car industry.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by catdog » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:36 PM UTC

smorrow wrote: post #4

tf2manu994 wrote: post #2

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

It's a very rational thing to do if you live in an urban area. Individual owned cars spend most of the time parking taking precious space inside cities. Car sharing combined with non-shitty public transport to also reduce moving traffic could make cities a place for humans again, not a place for cars like it's now.

I also prefer not to own car as an individual (if not necessary because of lacking infrastructure). It's stupidly wasteful from a monetary point of view to not use the thing most of the time. You have to take care of maintenance and driving in an urban area is also not fun (ok self driving cars would fix this). This "everyone should own a car" as a status symbol thing is/was fabulous marketing.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by _ph_ » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:40 PM UTC

ewr24 wrote: post #3

Does anyone have link to original sources? Most houses in EU already have "charging point", it is called electric plug. 25A/380V plugs are pretty common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_multiphase_powe... But electric grids in western countries (Germany, UK) are absolutely not ready for such thing. German power grid would collapse if Czechia and Poland started enforcing their safety regulations. This reg…

What makes you think the German grid would not be up to charging electrical cars? In most places it is in an excellent state and as electrical consumption overall is sinking (getting rid of incandescent bulbs and wasteful electric devices helped there). On average, an electrical car would need about 10kWh/day to recharge, based on the average mileage. This does not put high loads on the electrical networks, especially as most cars would recharge over night, where the networks are mostly idle.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Post by funkyy » Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:46 PM UTC

ewr24 wrote: post #15

funkyy wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Countryside - but cities, probably main market for electric cars does not have this.

Main market is countryside with a commute to local city. Cities often do not even have a parking spot and public transport is faster.

You must be talking about specifically your area. I live in Europe and most central and western Europe (maybe north not so much) is filled with cars and cities are big enough to provide enough parking spaces. Only UK and Ireland are the countries in the west that are not like this. Cant think of any other.