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Post by briandear »

bantunes wrote: post #376
philliphaydon wrote: post #369

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I'm sorry but the tax adding trillions is utter rubbish. This figure only accounts if the current people paying tax continue to pay, and all benefits and handouts continue as is. It neglects the fact that he wants to close loopholes that let people not pay tax and give less reason to dodge tax, you could argue that taking all this into account Hillarys tax could force more people to not pay tax and result in trillion…

How naive can you be to think that a career tax-dodger will make dodging taxes harder? I cannot believe you're honestly having that internal dialogue.

Tax dodger? Like the New York Times? Carried loss isn't a tax dodge. Ironic that Google and other massive tech companies have their Dutch Irish Sandwiches yet overwhelmingly support Clinton. Does anyone think they would support someone that will hurt their business? Of course not. One could infer that Clinton would further enable so-called tax dodging. Google isn't going to risk billions supporting a candidate because of some social consciousness. There's something in it for them.

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Post by sgc »

golemotron wrote: post #392
DominikR wrote: post #338

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I'm in Austria, it was a disgrace. All of media was attacking the right wing guy with no dissenting voices, and you have to be afraid of personal and professional consequences if you endorse him or say anything against the Socialist candidate they are trying to push. It's literally like in the Soviet Union, at least that's what my parents told me as they came from a Communist country.

Just like the US this year. This is not an exaggeration. Many people would have professional and personal consequences for supporting Trump in public. People like Peter Thiel and Scott Adams have enough money to not care. Scott isn't even endorsing him and he says that his speaking engagements have dried up. We may see a big difference between the polling and the election results this year. The Shy Tory Effect came t…

Yeah, I had pretty major family problems for saying that I thought he was a lot of hot air and not actually that dangerous--with a disclaimer that I would never vote for him. Although my perspective on him has changed, it seems to me that the American left has turned into the authoritarian controlling power they so often claim to fight against.

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Post by CalChris »

55555 wrote: post #377

hackernews seems pretty confident that Hillary is going to win this election. If anyone would like to bet $200 against my $100 (my position being that Trump will win the USA popular vote), msg me. I'm not sure how we'll do the escrow, but I'm willing to place a few bets on the underdog.

There are betting markets which will offer significantly better odds in order to take your money. For example:

https://www.betfair.com/exchange/#/politics/event/27713489/m...

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Post by dmode »

I hope the tech world shuns Thiel. This is what he is supporting

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-...

Specifically, look for his insults aimed at reporters and journalists. This man is unhinged and unqualified. He is currently riling up his followers by claiming that the election will be rigged. I am concerned the consequences of that message

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-...

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Post by neonbat »

_tpzm wrote: post #282
tvural wrote: post #264

Thiel might have ulterior motives, but his support of Trump is not too surprising if you've listened to his other ideas. He feels that the political agenda has been overrun by distractions, like "who can use which bathroom", at the expense of real problems, like the stagnation of median wages over the last forty years. He prefers the days when the national conversation was about how to beat the Soviets, and sees the…

> He is a libertarian I just find this impossible to reconcile with his support for Trump, the most authoritarian presidential candidate in a very long time and possibly ever. I think many of his supporters would actually agree with that description, they like that about him, and they absolutely do not describe themselves as libertarian. They describe themselves as "conservatives" who want a "strong" president to "ta…

thiels philosophy is actually deeply technocratic authoritarian. in a lot of ways he is a technocrat and not a true libertarian. hes said on multiple occasions that politics has failed libertarians and that they should try 'alternatives.'

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Post by julesqs »

For everyone saying Trump is not authoritarian and Thiel is just some flavor of eccentric Libertarian, Thiel says very clearly in the first paragraph of his essay at Cato that "freedom and democracy are incompatible"[1]. Thiel's version of freedom does not involve American democracy as we currently practice it, and I think it's reasonable to assume that he hopes Trump agrees with him.

[1] https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

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Post by sgc »

Udik wrote: post #362
morgante wrote: post #342

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> Do you have a source for this? There are two different proposals I'm thinking of. One for making a national registry of all Muslims in the United States (a religious minority) and another for police being able to demand immigration papers at any time. The problem is that there isn't any way to look at someone and say they are an "illegal immigrant" so you end up with a totalitarian regime where police are stopping…

stuff straight out of a comic book authoritarian regime: "stop and show me your papers." In France, afaik, it is mandatory to carry an id card and, missing that, the police can stop you for up to 4 hours to verify your identity (according to Wikipedia). If you're a foreigner you have to prove that you are legally resident. The last time I checked, France is not an authoritarian regime out of a comic book.

Not only France, AFAIK it is basically the standard practice in European countries. It is perfectly normal outside the US to be stopped with no probably cause simply to verify who you are, and if deemed worthwhile, what you are doing.

I have been stopped in dozens of countries for procedural controls. I have never felt oppressed, but obviously it could be abused.

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Post by samastur »

golemotron wrote: post #392
DominikR wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in Austria, it was a disgrace. All of media was attacking the right wing guy with no dissenting voices, and you have to be afraid of personal and professional consequences if you endorse him or say anything against the Socialist candidate they are trying to push. It's literally like in the Soviet Union, at least that's what my parents told me as they came from a Communist country.

Just like the US this year. This is not an exaggeration. Many people would have professional and personal consequences for supporting Trump in public. People like Peter Thiel and Scott Adams have enough money to not care. Scott isn't even endorsing him and he says that his speaking engagements have dried up. We may see a big difference between the polling and the election results this year. The Shy Tory Effect came t…

Scott Adams in his own words: http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150919416661/why-i-switched-my-...

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Post by return0 »

How much power does the president of us as a person wield? The us has numerous powerful institutions and checks and balances. Thats probably why many people dismiss the fear of authoritarianism.

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Post by blisterpeanuts »

golemotron wrote: post #392
DominikR wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in Austria, it was a disgrace. All of media was attacking the right wing guy with no dissenting voices, and you have to be afraid of personal and professional consequences if you endorse him or say anything against the Socialist candidate they are trying to push. It's literally like in the Soviet Union, at least that's what my parents told me as they came from a Communist country.

Just like the US this year. This is not an exaggeration. Many people would have professional and personal consequences for supporting Trump in public. People like Peter Thiel and Scott Adams have enough money to not care. Scott isn't even endorsing him and he says that his speaking engagements have dried up. We may see a big difference between the polling and the election results this year. The Shy Tory Effect came t…

When I've posted criticism of Hillary on Facebook, I've gotten savaged in the comments by my liberal friends. It's a sobering and depressing experience and I'm sad to realize that my respect for most of them has declined, as no doubt theirs has for me. Periodically I will post a defense of freedom of speech, and I'll remind people that I'm willing to fight and die for their right to disagree with me, with which they tend to agree. But they also believe that anyone who doesn't toe the party line is practically an enemy of the state.
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