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Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving.

After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Does anyone have link to original sources?

Most houses in EU already have "charging point", it is called electric plug. 25A/380V plugs are pretty common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_multiphase_powe...

But electric grids in western countries (Germany, UK) are absolutely not ready for such thing. German power grid would collapse if Czechia and Poland started enforcing their safety regulations.

This regulation would also make it impossible to build off-grid house powered by solar.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing

Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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post #4

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

Not really a fantasy. I would prefer to own my own, but I can see why people argue that it won't be a thing. I find it inconvenient as hell to not own one, though.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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post #4

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

I'm not a lefty (somewhat the opposite in fact!) but I would love this "fantasy" to be true. Self driving cars is literally a panacea right now, but hopefully it is achievable in my life time.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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post #3

Does anyone have link to original sources? Most houses in EU already have "charging point", it is called electric plug. 25A/380V plugs are pretty common: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_and_multiphase_powe... But electric grids in western countries (Germany, UK) are absolutely not ready for such thing. German power grid would collapse if Czechia and Poland started enforcing their safety regulations. This reg…

> 25A/380V plugs are pretty common

Not in homes.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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post #4

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

I don't think it's a leftist fantasy. It's a Silicon Valley fantasy.

Us leftists are generally public transit advocates.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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post #4

While this is a hell of a lot better than the current system of non-electric, I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing after cars are self driving. After they are, I think people will just call for a car and it would drive to you and pick you up. Obviously this won't work for rural and off road areas, though.

> I feel that people owning their own car won't be a thing Why is this such a big fantasy among leftists?

Even if you're not a leftist you can see there would be a much higher efficiency of people only having a car when needed. You only have to look at driveways and parking lots to see how inefficient car use is currently.

Re: Plans for an electric car charging point in every new home in Europe

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Thoughts: 1. Where will the energy come from? 2. While electric cars will make the air in cities better, they won't reduce the needed space (for driving AND parking), and they won't make life more secure for pedestrians and cyclists. 3. In our courtyard, I usually don't find a place to lock my bicycle because they removed some of the bicycle stands in favor of creating some private terraces - this should be forbidden 4. Please concentrate on electric cars for car sharing

See also http://www.copenhagenize.com/2016/10/electric-cars-where-wil...

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