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Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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I'm fluent in German, English. I'm living in Japan and am almost fluent in Japanese and quarter fluent in Korean. I also recently started Hungarian and Spanish. The most important part in my opinion is to live in a country that speaks the language you want to learn. You have to immerse yourself as much as possible with the culture and language. Also very important that you aren't afraid to try to use what you learned…

Can I ask respectfully what you mean by fluent?

Only because...the textbook definition and the colloquial definition differ. I think generally when people say 'fluent' they mean 'native speaker level at reading, writing and speaking language X', whereas fluent actually means you can speak without hesitation on a range of topics.

Just a clarification, not an attack!

Edit: Plus, I wouldn't knock wordlists. I started trying to make wordlists only out of words I had some connection to, but you end up spending an inordinate amount of time making cards, and also then it's tempting to keep interrupting your reading to make new flashcards.

I am 'fluent' in mandarin, and use HSK6 wordlists as a base. I learn a bunch of random words and then suddenly, when I'm reading an article, there's the word I learned a month ago. I don't need to interrupt my reading flow, and the connection has been made. Sometimes at advanced levels, you won't see a word that often, so it's wasteful to see it once, make a flashcard, and then never have another chance to see the word in a real world context for another 6 months.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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At different points of my life I spoke Thai, Malay, Italian, French and a teeny bit of Mandarin. I would say the ones I became extremely fluent with were the result of total immersion (living in that country - being fully immersed in it for years). I've known expats who go to Thailand, live in western communities, associate with other westerners mostly speaking English and deal with locals mostly on a limited level d…

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Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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I speak 5 languages. In 4 I gave conference speeches, had job interviews and participated in work discussions. The last one I never managed to master to the same level for as much books I read or lessons I would follow. The difference, I never was for a prolonged time in a place where I had no choice but to learn the language.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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As a consequence of growing up in a diverse and multicultural society like India, I am fluent in 4 languages (English, Hindi, Marathi and Konkani). I am currently learning French from Duolingo and Kannada from a language book that I purchased sometime back.

Coming to your question, there seems to be no right way to learn a language except for selecting a learning resource and diving straight into it. Some languages are easy and some are quite hard but the trick seems to be in getting familiar with the initial phrases and then learning the grammatical rules. Grammatical and syntactical rules are like the glue that hold the words in place and I would advise you to focus on them. Talking to people who speak the language (can be quite awkward for the beginner) and reading passages aloud will end up helping you as well.

There is no timeline to this and getting fluent in a language is a function of your efforts and the difficulty of the language you have chosen. If the language that you want to learn is on Duolingo, that's the best place to start.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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A polyglot marketed his method a couple years ago that makes sense to me.

>But basically: buy a Lonely Planet phrasebook. Learn full phrases off, use them. Get courses like Assimil, Teach yourself, Colloquial and use that for a little bit more of a base. Use it. Practice a tonne. When you are somewhat comfortable in the language, then (and only then) study some grammar to tidy it up. Practice more.[1]

I imagine starting with common phrases and pronunciation cuts through the learning curve.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/y70v0/by_request_i_am...

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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I learned to speak French starting from scratch in my 30s, while living in the US. I speak it well enough to enroll in an easy college-level course intended for native speakers[a] or to work professionally[b], although either experience would be painful at first. For me, the process occurred in three phases: 1. Bootstrapping to the point where I could kinda-sorta read books and kinda-sorta carry on conversations. I p…

What French TV shows did you enjoy? I've been looking for some to watch to improve my listening skills.

I asked the same question last year. The one that is frequently recommended is Engrenages(also called Spiral)

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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What French TV shows did you enjoy? I've been looking for some to watch to improve my listening skills.

I asked the same question last year. The one that is frequently recommended is Engrenages(also called Spiral)

That show is worth watching even if you are not learning French.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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Depends on your definition of 'fluent'. To speak like a native, you probably need to spend several years in a community where your target language is spoken as primary language. However, you don't need to be fully fluent to passably talk, read and write even on advanced level (like politics or academic subjects).

Find the part of the internet that communicates in your target language. Read and participate. Structured language classes with a professional teacher are helpful, but not sufficient.

Duolingo is nice for very basic introduction and first "stepping stone", but not enough if you want to progress farther than the basic tourist level (at least, not in the languages I have tried it).

After ~15 years studying (both in school and other activities), I wouldn't consider myself fully fluent in English but capable enough to get by in professional context.

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