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Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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Live in another country, and in an environment where English wasn't an option 80%+ of the time.

But when there (here) structured learning in the form of a few books to round-off vocabulary/grammar and a few lessons mainly to track progress and give feedback helped hugely in going from basic to intermediary. Pleco dictionary and flashcards for 1-2 hours per day also very useful.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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post #3

Live in another country, and in an environment where English wasn't an option 80%+ of the time. But when there (here) structured learning in the form of a few books to round-off vocabulary/grammar and a few lessons mainly to track progress and give feedback helped hugely in going from basic to intermediary. Pleco dictionary and flashcards for 1-2 hours per day also very useful.

This is the only method that has worked for me. There is no substitute for talking to native speakers every day.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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I lived in the US for 20 years — came here when I was 10. I'm still not completely fluent in English. A lot of the learning came from interacting with others who mainly spoke in English, but in some occasions I still have to make an effort in order to get pronunciation and grammar correct.

In retrospect, what helped me the most in the early days were reading children's books and copying them down on separate piece of paper, and memorizing the most basic vocabularies that all native speakers naturally learned during their childhood years. These alone seemed to have improved reading comprehension and writing skills from level zero to the basic level. At first, try to write down the words in your native language next to the foreign words you are trying to memorize in order to make that initial connection, and later, try to memorize the definitions in the foreign language itself. I was using just pencil and paper throughout this process — I wasn't even aware that I could've used computers to do this at the time.

Fast forward to teenage years and up to early 20s, listening to podcasts and audio-based grammar courses helped with refining speech. I used to repeat after every sentence and even respond to questions that the hosts asked their guests in some radio shows as if the hosts were asking me the questions.

In regards to expanding my knowledge of vocabularies, I used to spend hours every week memorizing SAT vocabularies, but nowadays I try to use the new vocabularies that I come across as soon as possible in real conversations.

For now, I think you should focus on memorizing words for the things that you encounter most frequently every day, in addition to learning conversational speech rather than diving deep into the nuances of grammar and trying to cram all the vocabularies you can get your hands on into your brain. It's a long and arduous process — yet very rewarding, and IF you're a coder, you might know that there's a narrative by Peter Norvig — to set a long-term goal (up to 10 years) in learning a programming language — I think the same goes for spoken languages albeit it may take much longer to achieve an adequate level of fluency. Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

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I'm still learning but my recommendation is a lot of repetition. I learn primarily by trying to read a book in the foreign language with a translation available.

Only I repeat and repeat each sentence, each paragraph, and then each page, until I can read it out loud quickly with good pronunciation (I have a reader with TTS in the foreign language), where I can construct the meaning in my head on the fly. Until I get to that point, I don't consider the sentence, paragraph, whatever, learned.

My theory of language learning is that you need a strong root of a few sentences before you can branch off into new words and grammar constructs.

Too many language courses try to pack in the material as fast as possible. To me, that's a mistake. Like etching a lot of faint scratches into stone, you have a lot of information there, but it's difficult to read any specific thing and they wear away quickly. So, basically go for a few deep marks over a bunch of small light ones.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

#7
Everyone I know who has advanced skills in a foreign language spent one or more years in their target country where they had to speak the language daily, combined with a structured language course or class.

Otherwise it is extremely difficult to get the necessary amount of daily exposure to new and novel situations where the language you want to study is used. You can try by watching a lot of foreign TV series and movies, reading books, but those are not necessarily representative of the vocabulary useful in real life.

If you are a US citizen I think the only language you could get fluent in without leaving the country would be Spanish.

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

#8
I mostly use English. Never been to the U.S. and not in a country where it's spoken. I've never "studied" English except in school. I just wanted to learn about Neuro-Linguistic Programing and all the good stuff was in English. I have a few replies on Reddit about how I acquired languages. I'm on mobile right now and I'm not accustomed to it (xorg isn't talking to me). hjugurtha on reddit.

Check out Stephen Krashen, he basically describes how I and a lot of people have acquired languages.

Gist of it:

- A lot of reading about a lot of topics.

- Exposure to the language (audio video).

Re: Ask HN: To those who became fluent in a second language, what did you do?

#10
An old-fashioned method, but it works: start dating someone who speaks the language you'd like to learn.

Outside of that, watch children's television shows in the language you want to learn, with english subtitles. The language is simple and will help get it in your ears.

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