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Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by shoehornhands »

akytt wrote: post #10

Wikileaks has become a weapon of information warfare. What part of the cache was doctored? What was left out? The big publications know that and won't be provoked. This is an admirable move by Russians: they steer the campaign as well as rob Wikileaks of any merit it has for the society.

> What part of the cache was doctored? What was left out? The big publications know that and won't be provoked.

This is a very good point.

However, I don't think it applies in this case, since for this to be true, it would imply that had this been Trump's campaign manager's email account that was hacked with similar Trump-related campaign revelations contained in it, the mainstream media would refuse to report it for the same reason.

And I don't believe that for a tenth of a second.

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by [deleted] »

shoehornhands wrote: post #6
tzs wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The emails the article is talking about don't seem all that interesting. Basically, they show that the Obama organization and Democratic party officials were working on figuring out staffing well before the election. I would hope that every competent Presidential candidate does that.

I was referring to the email dump in general. There are enormous stories in there, any one of which if they involved Trump instead of Clinton would be front page top story, no question. With regard to the specific subset of emails OP's article refers to, I believe the big deal is that a Citigroup executive basically had his pick of all these positions.

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Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by zzalpha »

shoehornhands wrote: post #3

I can't believe the complete media blackout of these emails. Maybe it has changed since a day or two ago, when I checked around, but here's how it stood: - CNN: zero coverage. top story = Trump accused of groping - MSNBC: zero coverage. top story = Trump accused of groping - New York Times: actually mentioned the emails and a bit of their content...in an small article. Below the fold. Titled "Trump Finds Unusual Ally…

You know, instead of assuming a vast conspiracy, you could use regular ol' common sense.

On the one hand we have an email dump that, while there seems to be some amount of smoke, doesn't itself represent much of a fire. Just the usual Clinton crap: lots of shady stuff that rides the line of ethics, and veers pretty far into a inside political baseball.

On the other, we have a wildly controversial presidential candidate caught talking about sexually assaulting women, followed by women coming out and saying he actually did it.

Based purely on the assumption that news == entertainment, which story do you think will get the headlines?

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by shoehornhands »

zzalpha wrote: post #13
shoehornhands wrote: post #3

I can't believe the complete media blackout of these emails. Maybe it has changed since a day or two ago, when I checked around, but here's how it stood: - CNN: zero coverage. top story = Trump accused of groping - MSNBC: zero coverage. top story = Trump accused of groping - New York Times: actually mentioned the emails and a bit of their content...in an small article. Below the fold. Titled "Trump Finds Unusual Ally…

You know, instead of assuming a vast conspiracy, you could use regular ol' common sense. On the one hand we have an email dump that, while there seems to be some amount of smoke, doesn't itself represent much of a fire. Just the usual Clinton crap: lots of shady stuff that rides the line of ethics, and veers pretty far into a inside political baseball. On the other, we have a wildly controversial presidential candida…

> On the one hand we have an email dump that, while there seems to be some amount of smoke, doesn't itself represent much of a fire. Just the usual Clinton crap: lots of shady stuff that rides the line of ethics, and veers pretty far into a inside political baseball.

You do not seem to be very familiar with them.

>On the other, we have a wildly controversial presidential candidate caught talking about sexually assaulting women

Demonstrably false. Say what you want about the unsavory nature of the quote, the only way it can refer to sexual assault is if you willfully omit the last part of the quote (" they let you do it.")

> followed by women coming out and actually saying he did it

Then followed by several witnesses who came out and said "I was there, and nothing remotely close to this happened." These were also to my knowledge not reported in the mainstream media with the exception of the New York Post, which covered the witness to the allegations of sexual assault on a plane.

> Based purely on the assumption that news == entertainment, which story do you think will get the headlines?

My issue wasn't that they weren't getting the same font size as the groping allegations - my issue is that they aren't getting covered AT ALL.

So do I believe the stories contained in the wikileaks dumps are more newsworthy than "Donald Trump got fresh with me 30 years ago (and do me a favor and ignore anyone who says otherwise? kthx)"? ...Yeah, I don't think it's much of a stretch to say they are.

Or again, you could "use regular ol' common sense" and ask yourself 'If I replaced the name 'Clinton' with the name 'Trump' in this case, would the outcome be the same?"

If you don't think so, I'll give you my Skype username so you can look me in the eye and tell me the media wouldnt pounce on a story of Trump's campaign manager complaining about "needy Latinos"

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by dpark »

gragas wrote: post #2

Really? - Hillary and her team deliberately trying to trick the FBI by giving them a "slightly broader" set of emails [1]: "What that means specifically is that they are going to turn over all the Blumenthal emails to the Committee that they hav along with some other HRC emails that include a slightly broader set of search terms than the original batch. That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn…

> Evidence that the DNC purchased craigslist ads in attempt to frame Trump

Is that actually evidence of an attempt to frame Trump? This is very clearly a fake ad. No one would see this and think it's real. This looks like a political ad in very poor taste.

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by Cozumel »

zzalpha wrote: post #13
shoehornhands wrote: post #3

I can't believe the complete media blackout of these emails. Maybe it has changed since a day or two ago, when I checked around, but here's how it stood: - CNN: zero coverage. top story = Trump accused of groping - MSNBC: zero coverage. top story = Trump accused of groping - New York Times: actually mentioned the emails and a bit of their content...in an small article. Below the fold. Titled "Trump Finds Unusual Ally…

You know, instead of assuming a vast conspiracy, you could use regular ol' common sense. On the one hand we have an email dump that, while there seems to be some amount of smoke, doesn't itself represent much of a fire. Just the usual Clinton crap: lots of shady stuff that rides the line of ethics, and veers pretty far into a inside political baseball. On the other, we have a wildly controversial presidential candida…

>You know, instead of assuming a vast conspiracy, you could use regular ol' common sense.

Except if you actually read the emails, you'd see the bigger picture. Clinton's people are setting him up, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12715664 and http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness...

There's no disputing that Trump isn't fit for the Presidency but this whole groping thing is being orchestrated. He said some dumb sh*t years ago and now they're literally paying people to come forward and say he groped them.

Add to the fact that in the emails there's evidence that Scalia was murdered and people should be sitting up and taking notice.

That's the disturbing thing, not Soros buying the presidency, not Scalia been murdered, not Trump been framed, not Hillary's corruption, not the invasion in Syria etc etc but the simple fact that most people either don't care or are just oblivious this is even happening.

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by c0nducktr »

Cozumel wrote: post #16
zzalpha wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, instead of assuming a vast conspiracy, you could use regular ol' common sense. On the one hand we have an email dump that, while there seems to be some amount of smoke, doesn't itself represent much of a fire. Just the usual Clinton crap: lots of shady stuff that rides the line of ethics, and veers pretty far into a inside political baseball. On the other, we have a wildly controversial presidential candida…

>You know, instead of assuming a vast conspiracy, you could use regular ol' common sense. Except if you actually read the emails, you'd see the bigger picture. Clinton's people are setting him up, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12715664 and http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness... There's no disputing that Trump isn't fit for the Presidency but this whole groping thing is being orches…

> Add to the fact that in the emails there's evidence that Scalia was murdered

Wait what?

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

shoehornhands wrote: post #6
tzs wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The emails the article is talking about don't seem all that interesting. Basically, they show that the Obama organization and Democratic party officials were working on figuring out staffing well before the election. I would hope that every competent Presidential candidate does that.

I was referring to the email dump in general. There are enormous stories in there, any one of which if they involved Trump instead of Clinton would be front page top story, no question. With regard to the specific subset of emails OP's article refers to, I believe the big deal is that a Citigroup executive basically had his pick of all these positions.

Cheney was a Halliburton executive and led the Bush transition.

What's the big story here?

Re: The Most Important WikiLeaks Revelation Isn’t About Hillary Clinton

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

gragas wrote: post #2

Really? - Hillary and her team deliberately trying to trick the FBI by giving them a "slightly broader" set of emails [1]: "What that means specifically is that they are going to turn over all the Blumenthal emails to the Committee that they hav along with some other HRC emails that include a slightly broader set of search terms than the original batch. That of course includes the emails Sid turned over that HRC didn…

From: http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house...

Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails.

Like Clinton, the Bush White House used a private email server—its was owned by the Republican National Committee.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controv...

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The reason the GOP can't get scandal traction is it has done every one of these things in the past.

Guys, it's been like 10-16 years (depending on the scandal).

We haven't forgotten yet.

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