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The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

#11
Paranoid speculation: The DEA was given a secret brief to ban a substance that would help addicts withdraw from an addiction. Consider who actually benefits from this ban: Various policing powers, and drug cartels, who depend on addicts staying that way.

Having written that, I don't believe it. But on the other hand . . .

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

#12
> Unfortunately, in the United States I don't think we have a good regulatory framework for handling this situation

Why do we even need a regulatory framework? It's a plant: let people grow it if they want; let them ingest it if they want. Heck, let them crush the eaves and smear them all over their bodies while singing, 'Happy days are here again!' if that's what they want. That's what freedom is about: letting folks do their thing.

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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I don't agree with the ban, but it seems like the risks of kratom are not discussed, and in fact even downplayed by saying hey, it's just a plant.

To help me be an informed reader I would like WaPo to mention:

1) If you search kratom withdrawal there are a ton of anecdotal reports that sound pretty unpleasant if not debilitating.

2) What is the frequency of severe side effects, as best as can be known?

3) That "natural" substances or "plants" are not always safe. This misconception is so common and dangerous it shouldn't be used to mock the ban (real logic will suffice). https://web.stanford.edu/~jpc/overture.htm

There are plenty of valid reasons to argue against a ban. For example the chill on research, the low rate of fatalities, the likelihood it will make use more dangerous, and the probability a ban would have no net benefits.

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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post #12

> Unfortunately, in the United States I don't think we have a good regulatory framework for handling this situation Why do we even need a regulatory framework? It's a plant: let people grow it if they want; let them ingest it if they want. Heck, let them crush the eaves and smear them all over their bodies while singing, 'Happy days are here again!' if that's what they want. That's what freedom is about: letting folk…

The hard drugs have ugly consequences for their users, and for their society as a whole. Look at how the Japanese in WWII legalized all drugs in China, and made heroin, in particular, cheap and easily available; they wanted to corrode the substance of Chinese civil society, and they did.

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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post #11

Paranoid speculation: The DEA was given a secret brief to ban a substance that would help addicts withdraw from an addiction. Consider who actually benefits from this ban: Various policing powers, and drug cartels, who depend on addicts staying that way. Having written that, I don't believe it. But on the other hand . . .

Followedby another brief indicating such a ban would adversely affect pharmaceutical companies.

"Researchers say that their work with kratom could eventually lead to the development of nonaddictive alternatives to powerful opiate painkillers. Placing kratom in schedule 1 would cripple researchers ability to study the drug, they say."

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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post #11

Paranoid speculation: The DEA was given a secret brief to ban a substance that would help addicts withdraw from an addiction. Consider who actually benefits from this ban: Various policing powers, and drug cartels, who depend on addicts staying that way. Having written that, I don't believe it. But on the other hand . . .

More likely the 12-steppers and religious zealots who feel that all recreational drug/alcohol induced highs are wrong, and should be stopped/illegal. There's been a lot of fighting against anything that works to end addiction through medical research/means. In addition to those who think all recreational drugs should be outlawed.

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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post #12

> Unfortunately, in the United States I don't think we have a good regulatory framework for handling this situation Why do we even need a regulatory framework? It's a plant: let people grow it if they want; let them ingest it if they want. Heck, let them crush the eaves and smear them all over their bodies while singing, 'Happy days are here again!' if that's what they want. That's what freedom is about: letting folk…

The hard drugs have ugly consequences for their users, and for their society as a whole. Look at how the Japanese in WWII legalized all drugs in China, and made heroin, in particular, cheap and easily available; they wanted to corrode the substance of Chinese civil society, and they did.

On the flip side, this drug and marajuana have marginal negative affects beyond being reactionally impared, which being very tired can also do. Are they going to outlaw being awake for more than 20 hours next?

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

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post #12

> Unfortunately, in the United States I don't think we have a good regulatory framework for handling this situation Why do we even need a regulatory framework? It's a plant: let people grow it if they want; let them ingest it if they want. Heck, let them crush the eaves and smear them all over their bodies while singing, 'Happy days are here again!' if that's what they want. That's what freedom is about: letting folk…

The hard drugs have ugly consequences for their users, and for their society as a whole. Look at how the Japanese in WWII legalized all drugs in China, and made heroin, in particular, cheap and easily available; they wanted to corrode the substance of Chinese civil society, and they did.

My rule of thumb is, "would I rather be in a room full of people on X (a variable, not the drug) or a room full of people on beer?" If the answer is X, which it almost always is, then I would rather make X more legally and socially acceptable than beer.

Re: The DEA is withdrawing a proposal to ban another plant citing public outcry

#20

I wonder if we could get weed legalized if we just started calling the DEA about it all the time.

I'd settle for seeing it off the Schedule 1 list, which would at least allow for more information/research to happen.
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