Earlier quoted context omitted.
you guys are way ahead of me, man..
Maybe, but your submission, 2 hours later, has got twice the karma but half the comments. Go figure. It's all random.
7,500 Online Shoppers Unknowingly Sold Their Souls
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#12They'd have a hard time getting them from U.S.-based customers: souls, being human remains, cannot be sent by US Mail. ( http://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume6/v6i4/postal... )
Only if we beg the questions of whether the soul is indelibly human and whether it's physical.
I don't think the rule specified that it had to be physical remains, although that would certainly make it easier to package.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe, but your submission, 2 hours later, has got twice the karma but half the comments. Go figure. It's all random.
It's all about the headline. A good headline will generate twice the upvotes in half the time. A lot of great stories never make it to the front page because the headlines are terrible.
Additionally, the other story was already on the front page when this one was submitted.
Still, who cares.
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#15Most people would take this as a simple joke, but I think there's far more to it. Not the idea of 'soul ownership', but the fact that there exist essentially NO consumer protections whatsoever when it comes to these "digital licenses" that the gaming industry is increasingly using. With these licenses, gamers are stripped of nearly every single right they would retain if they had bought the game in retail form. It wo…
With licenses, the law gives the owner vast discretion in how to fashion a license because it is treated as a limited grant that can be shaped almost entirely by the terms of a contract. To date, courts and legislators have not seen the need to place "public policy" restrictions on the way licenses are fashioned and freedom of contract continues to rule unimpeded in this area. In other words, if you agree to it, you are bound by it.
What the article here underscores, though, is that the very idea of a contract is something of a fiction when it comes to downloads. That does not mean it is not upheld in courts of law. The law very frequently uses fictions that make it convenient for commercial transactions to occur. Thus, if one must "accept" contractual terms of use in order to download a product by clicking on something saying that he accepts them, and in reality almost no one reads the stupid things, this doesn't mean that there hasn't been a meeting of the minds such as to form a binding contract. While there has in reality been no "meeting of the minds" because the one party has not bothered to read the contract, the law presumes that any responsible person would do so and therefore says that you are bound by the terms whether you in fact read them or not. Hence, the fiction that there is a true meeting of the minds in such cases. If it were not for such fictions, chaos would prevail and this form of commerce would cease to exist. Since it benefits society to have online forms of digital media distribution, the law supports the fiction to enable this form of commerce to exist by protecting the interest of vendors of digital media through the idea of binding contractual restrictions. That part is not about to change even though most people do not in fact read the contractual terms (as this piece very cleverly shows).
It is another matter altogether whether any given term that happens to be included in such contracts is enforceable or not (even though the contract as a whole may be). Of course, a clause that makes the contract literally a Faustian bargain would not stand but most clauses will, including the ones of which you complain. I don't think courts will normally take the initiative to strike these down, but legislatures may be persuaded to do something if significant social policy concerns can be highlighted and made compelling. As indicated above, this has happened in the past in analogous areas of law.
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#16That is fantastic link-bait for their site. Well worth giving a few hundred customers a discount voucher.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if we beg the questions of whether the soul is indelibly human and whether it's physical.
To be "remains", it needn't be indelibly human, just originally human. (e.g. cremated ashes). I don't think the rule specified that it had to be physical remains, although that would certainly make it easier to package.
And if not physical remains, why would anyone be worried about whether the post will ship it?
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be "remains", it needn't be indelibly human, just originally human. (e.g. cremated ashes). I don't think the rule specified that it had to be physical remains, although that would certainly make it easier to package.
Is the soul originally human? And if not physical remains, why would anyone be worried about whether the post will ship it?
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Maybe, but your submission, 2 hours later, has got twice the karma but half the comments. Go figure. It's all random.
i don't get how karma works..
Stories and comments are sorted so that more upvotes push them higher, but they drop over time. Sort order is votes divided some exponential of time, so newer comments/stories appear higher so they have a chance to get noticed, but then drop to the order dictated entirely by votes after a suitable length of time.
All this is in the FAQs, but you said you didn't understand, so I thought I'd provide a high-level summary.