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Re: Be Kind

#91

Post by coldtea » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:13 PM UTC

>That’s why I want to make sure that you’re the only one to refuel my plane tomorrow. I won’t let anyone else on the field touch it.

...he said, before his final fatal flight. Apparently some people DO do the same mistake twice.

([Edit] to avoid confusion: My addition is about giving a different twist to the story, to show that it's not a given that people who made a mistake will not be prone to repeat it. Some people seem to be extra prone in repeating certain mistakes. It's not saying Hoover actually died or anything... I mean, isn't it obvious?)

Re: Be Kind

#92

Post by icebraining » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

savanaly wrote: post #67

hluska wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sorry, but you have no defense. Laughing at a junior developer'a code is completely inexcusable. Simple fact is, if you worked for me, I would have fired you for that. Junior devs are supposed to do bad things - that's why they aren't senior devs.

I think you're quite possibly judging the guy too much based on a simple internet comment. His statement could mean anything from cruelly laughing in the face of the junior dev during a face to face code review to having a quick heh under his breath from the privacy of his office at the developer's use of "if (foo === true)". Or anything in between.

If it was a completely private laugh, seems weird that they would apologize for the previously mentioned jerk.

Re: Be Kind

#93

Post by 77pt77 » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #86

77pt77 wrote: post #71

Except in real life people sometimes make malicious "mistakes" deliberately and when caught and called out on them either completely dismiss them or even gloat. This reads almost like a fairy tale.

In which case angrily confronting that person would further justify their ill will towards you and strengthen their resolve to sabotage you. How is that productive or tactful?

And becoming passive implies the message that you're a pushover to whom anything can be done because there will never be nefarious consequences.

To those people the mindset is:

If I do X I might gain something (or feels good) and no mater what I'll never suffer any retaliation for it. Why shouldn't I do it?

Re: Be Kind

#94

Post by dudul » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

While I fully appreciate the point of the post, the junior dev didn't screw up. The team screwed up for not having a process and practices designed to avoid these mistakes. Unless they do have those, and Brian decided to ignore them.

Re: Be Kind

#95

Post by coldtea » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:16 PM UTC

sparrish wrote: post #35

phn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, he'd have to sooner or later. Better start learning as soon as possible :)

Nobody should be deploying to production on Friday... Nobody.

Friday is the best day to deploy to production. If something screws up, you still have the weekend to solve the issue before the big bosses are there.

On weekdays you have the added pressure of other work.

(Of course depends if your business is mostly or evenly loaded on weekends as on weekdays. In most businesses I've know it's usually the lower load/customer visits period).

Re: Be Kind

#96

Post by openasocket » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:16 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #91

> That’s why I want to make sure that you’re the only one to refuel my plane tomorrow. I won’t let anyone else on the field touch it. ...he said, before his final fatal flight. Apparently some people DO do the same mistake twice. ([Edit] to avoid confusion: My addition is about giving a different twist to the story, to show that it's not a given that people who made a mistake will not be prone to repeat it. Some peop…

I don't know if you're being snarky or not, but Bob Hoover is still alive

Re: Be Kind

#97

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:16 PM UTC

bjelkeman-again wrote: post #79

77pt77 wrote: post #71

Except in real life people sometimes make malicious "mistakes" deliberately and when caught and called out on them either completely dismiss them or even gloat. This reads almost like a fairy tale.

In my experience very few serious mistakes are deliberate and there is a huge gain to find a way to not make the same mistake again. Which include avoiding blame, but rather go looking for the root cause. People who can handle serious mistakes in others are some of the best partners you can have in your efforts. IMHO they aren't fairy tales.

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Re: Be Kind

#98

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

openasocket wrote: post #96

coldtea wrote: post #91

> That’s why I want to make sure that you’re the only one to refuel my plane tomorrow. I won’t let anyone else on the field touch it. ...he said, before his final fatal flight. Apparently some people DO do the same mistake twice. ([Edit] to avoid confusion: My addition is about giving a different twist to the story, to show that it's not a given that people who made a mistake will not be prone to repeat it. Some peop…

I don't know if you're being snarky or not, but Bob Hoover is still alive

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Re: Be Kind

#99

Post by spenczar5 » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #91

> That’s why I want to make sure that you’re the only one to refuel my plane tomorrow. I won’t let anyone else on the field touch it. ...he said, before his final fatal flight. Apparently some people DO do the same mistake twice. ([Edit] to avoid confusion: My addition is about giving a different twist to the story, to show that it's not a given that people who made a mistake will not be prone to repeat it. Some peop…

Just to avert anyone else's confusion: Bob Hoover didn't die. Not sure what coldtea is referring to.

Re: Be Kind

#100

Post by nsxwolf » Fri, Oct 14, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #91

> That’s why I want to make sure that you’re the only one to refuel my plane tomorrow. I won’t let anyone else on the field touch it. ...he said, before his final fatal flight. Apparently some people DO do the same mistake twice. ([Edit] to avoid confusion: My addition is about giving a different twist to the story, to show that it's not a given that people who made a mistake will not be prone to repeat it. Some peop…

Wait, who? Bob Hoover is still alive.