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Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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Perhaps it's just priming?

Not sure why this was downvoted. This is priming. The term should be famous now thanks to the books "Thinking Fast and Slow" and "Nudge" http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/psyching-us-...

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Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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There are connotations of "control" that make it a flashier, more imprecise, more clickbaity way to say influence. Specifically, having some degree of control less than total control over one's behavior means roughly the same thing as having influence.

If you have to explain away the meaning of something by using an order of magnitude more words, you're bullshitting

That is truly one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Part of explaining something someone doesn't understand is making context explicit, context that is unstated and shared by those who do understand. Rules like yours that sound cute but make no sense are a poor, poor substitute for actual thought.

Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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I drink once in my life. When I was 20. Why? I was interested in what being drunk felt like from a scientific perspective. Upon drinking all the liquor I could find in the house, the room began to spin and I didn't like the feeling of not being in control so I found the nearest couch and passed out. I often wonder if I am programmed differently than other people. Peer pressure has never really had any effect on me. W…

You might be programmed differently. I had a similar experience where I didn't start really drinking until I moved to Tokyo. Before that I tried for 2-3 months when I was 25, hated the taste, got headaches, stopped. A friend had me try some sweet cocktails which I enjoyed but not enough to drink regularly.

Moving to Toyko at 33 though introduced me to a different culture of drinking. AFAICT there's very little negative association with drinking in Japan Vs the USA. In the USA drinking, while socially acceptable is generally considered a vice. That doesn't seem true in Japan. As just one example the anime One Piece which is arguably targeted at young boys often has scenes of celebrating by drinking.

In any case, after many years here I do feel the peer pressure to socialize by drinking. People feel you aren't really participating if you don't. That doesn't mean I'll always drink. If I'm not feeling well or I drank too much the day before I might abstain but I'm consciously aware of the pressure / expectation. It helps no one drives so there's none of those issues.

Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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> Since you seemed to gather so much from a sentence, let me ask you this, why do you care? If you are going to go out of your way to make a personal attack when nowhere in my expressing MY THOUGHTS did I make an attack on anyone, then that is your prerogative. I don't care. And I didn't mean this to be a personal attack. Maybe you didn't mean it to come across the way I read it. Maybe you don't feel smugly superior…

> people took umbrage? People no. You, yes. Please don't speak for other people. > you grossly misrepresent the motives of people who drink I do? I offered my OPINION on why I believe people drink. What qualifies me to give such an opinion? 10+ years as a bartender (from dive bars to high-end restaurants - the last being Spiaggia in Chicago). During that time, I continued to further my understanding of why people dri…

> 10+ years as a bartender

> Only drank once at 20, proceeded to get blackout drunk.

Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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> people took umbrage? People no. You, yes. Please don't speak for other people. > you grossly misrepresent the motives of people who drink I do? I offered my OPINION on why I believe people drink. What qualifies me to give such an opinion? 10+ years as a bartender (from dive bars to high-end restaurants - the last being Spiaggia in Chicago). During that time, I continued to further my understanding of why people dri…

> 10+ years as a bartender > Only drank once at 20, proceeded to get blackout drunk.

And?

Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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In the airplane situation, I think it's worth stepping back to consider whether peer pressure is the simplest explanation. I think it's much more likely that people are just free-riding on others' mental effort of evaluating whether buying things on an airplane is worth it.

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> No, we don't. Communities have bonds. Seeing facebook spam is not the same as talking to a person, and joining a group of people who post likeminded facebook spam is not a community. It just scratches the same instinctual itch as a community. You and I may be using Facebook differently. I'm not thinking about random Facebook groups and news feeds of people you don't even remember. But e.g. for me, there are people…

> You and I may be using Facebook differently. This is almost certainly the case. I feel like much of the time when people confidently generalize (on HN and elsewhere) about "how everybody uses Facebook", they end up talking past each other because there are just vastly different patterns of usage that you never have occasion to get exposed to (given that your friend group is more likely to have usage patterns simila…

It may be the case, or it may not. Since we're not discussing how we use facebook, it is both unknown and irrelevant. We're talking about how facebook uses us, not at all the same thing. Facebook curates what you see no matter how you use facebook.

Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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This is why certain groups have such a strong interest in controlling twitter, facebook, google, etc. Most people simply go along with what they perceive as the majority opinion. This used to take the form of doing whate everyone around you does, which is why political views tended to group up so much by community. But we no longer have communities, we no longer speak to actual people, especially not about anything l…

If I could Correct the Record here, no one is trying to control the narrative on these platforms. Sounds like a Republican funded lie to me :^)

Lol. Care to comment on the many bannings/suspensions of prominent right-wing commentators/journalists on Twitter (Milo, Ricky Vaughn, Chuck Johnson, James O'Keefe, to name a few), the practice of "shadowbanning", as well of Facebook's well-documented history of deleting/censoring of posts about refugee crime in Europe and outright censorship of anti-refugee comments in Germany (under the guise of calling it "hate speech" of course...)?

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It's almost as if the end-game is a docile/subdued populace who is so unsure of themselves that they'll welcome basic income/restricted speech/gun control with open arms. Sounds like a right wing conspiracy to me :)

More like observation that political types like to maintain control by aiming people at ideals they can never achieve.

ok.

Re: Peer pressure’s effects are perhaps more powerful than we thought (2014)

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If I could Correct the Record here, no one is trying to control the narrative on these platforms. Sounds like a Republican funded lie to me :^)

Lol. Care to comment on the many bannings/suspensions of prominent right-wing commentators/journalists on Twitter (Milo, Ricky Vaughn, Chuck Johnson, James O'Keefe, to name a few), the practice of "shadowbanning", as well of Facebook's well-documented history of deleting/censoring of posts about refugee crime in Europe and outright censorship of anti-refugee comments in Germany (under the guise of calling it "hate sp…

I was kidding fam... I even used 'Correct the Record' in my comment...

C'mon son.

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