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Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Lol you just directly quoted him painting every Mexican as a bad person. "and some, I assume, are good people" was said in jest and he doesn't actually mean it. He means all Mexicans coming here are bad for the USA. Banning an entire religion is bigoted, racist, totally idiotic, call it whatever you like. You can keep trying with the mental gymnastics to justify what he says, but thankfully the majority of Americans…

You are being disingenuous. "You might well dislike Trump’s words. I did. But let’s not make it worse. He did not say that all Mexicans are rapists. Yet that’s what many commentators did. For example, Politico misquoted Trump by omitting his phrase about “good people.” They said he was “demonizing Mexicans as rapists.” They argued that Mexicans do not really commit more rapes in the U.S. than whites. But that’s not w…

I saw the speech live. He said the illegals coming from Mexico are all bad people. He joked that some "might" be good. It doesn't get any clearer than that.

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> greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights That's a tall order. To put that claim in perspective, more Americans die in abortions every year than have died in combat in the entire history of the US. (Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers.)

> Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers More pedantically, they are surely not Americans either, since citizenship is conferred at birth ?

Yes, that is pedantic.

I'm talking about residency, not citizenship. Citizenship is more arbitrary:

* Does citizenship include Native Americans?

* Does citizenship include slaves?

* Which of the Revolutionary War casualties were U.S. citizens?

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The NYT editorial board put this on the front page of the paper: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/opinion/end-the-gun-epidem... They are very upfront about their biases, but they have biases nonetheless.

> The NYT editorial board... The NYT editorial board is separate from the news desk, and the NYT makes clear what is news and what is opinion.

And you think the editorial board has no influence on which stories are emphasized?

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NYT might publish actual stories, but they also publish what is effectively propaganda. A lot of more "legitimate" news sources also have a tendency to selective report on things which fit a pre-established narrative on a topic that can effectively bury the truth. Here's an example where CNN did this: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-... And sadly the Washington Times is the least biased so…

I'm not seeing how your example is actual propaganda when it is more easily attributed to human error. If CNN were pushing this as a propaganda piece, they never would have issued a follow up statement correcting themselves.

There is no way to clip that video where they did on accident and then spin the story the way they did. They didn't issue that apology until they were caught, which is the exact same thing a politician would do.

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Thank god someone is writing about this. Recently I've been on the Yahoo's homepage a lot, because of Fantasy Football, and I noticed that a lot of the content is exactly like the article says, fake news from right-wing propaganda sites. And no, this is not me expressing my liberal bias. It's one thing to have opinionated headlines like the Huffington Post, it's another thing to have a completely fictional headline c…

Looking at Yahoo just now, at about 50 stories, 7 were strongly anti-Trump and there were 2 that involved Trump but weren't negative (and maybe even slightly positive). I'm seeing the opposite of a right-wing bias. No mentions of HRC.

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And no, this is not me expressing my liberal bias. It's one thing to have opinionated headlines like the Huffington Post Yea, yeah it is. I'm a liberal and can see how HuffPo is trash. I might be willing to grant that HuffPo uses softer titles and hides their outrage/fear/hate-mongering slightly better. Maybe it's not just seeing them as more tame because they're more agreeable to one's politics. But as I was writing…

On a lark, I registered as a republican back in 2008 specifically so I could vote for Obama as a republican. That action, however, got me registered to all sorts of conservative mailing lists that initially boggled my mind with how full they are of pure sh*t. At first it was amusing how crackpot and deranged they could be, but it quickly just became sad and/or scary. Since I am fairly liberal, I am also registered to…

I can second that. I'm a liberal (well, sort of - more like strongly left-leaning libertarian), but I'm also [sanely] pro-gun, and so I am, or was, a member of various corresponding organizations. It appears that they share member lists, because I'm also getting a bunch of Republican political spam, both email and snail mail.

And yes, it is definitely much more nutty than anything I've ever got from being a member of ACLU, or subscribing to various Dem mailing lists in this cycle. Your description is spot-on - left-wing political spam tends to be click-baity and appeal to emotion, while right-wing one is chock full of debunked conspiracy theories and blatant fear-mongering.

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> no matter how fact-free, no matter how irrational, no matter how dangerous The allegations against Trump are based on fact, rational, and hardly dangerous.

There I believe he was referring specifically to the breaking story that Trump's descriptions of leaked Hillary emails were fed to him by Russian propagandists, a story with little basis in fact.

It may be a story with little proof and mostly conjecture, but we don't know if it has little basis in fact, or not. There is plenty of circumstantial but fairly damning evidence linking the Trump campaign to Russia.

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That's a really cheap false equivalency. You've basically side nothing while ignorning the practical reality of what we're discussing. Take for example, the fact that Fox News will continually post stories about how Global Warming is a hoax, which is something the Huffington Post definitely won't do. The Huffington Post tends to write click-baity headlines, but they've never out right used lies in their articles. Tha…

And Huff constantly publishes stories telling gender doesn't exist. All the scientists beg to differ. Look mate I'm not interested in arguing who is more wrong. The fact is both sides have bias and talk about things that for whatever reason they find most important. And usually it bothers other side of the political spectrum so it's like a never ending loop from both sides.

> And Huff constantly publishes stories telling gender doesn't exist. All the scientists beg to differ.

I'm decidedly not a fan of HuffPo, but this is a massive distortion. No-one is disputing that biological sex exists, and that's what science supports. The matter of gender, and various associated concepts such as gender roles and norms, is completely different - and there is plenty of research to support the idea that a lot of entrenched gender stereotypes are largely or purely a social construct.

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Today's news presented to me by Facebook includes Putin prepping for a Third World War by having diplomats' families return home. My understanding of it is that he made some pronouncement that their kids are best off returning to Russia for a good, traditional nationalistic education - which has somehow warped into something more apocalyptic. Certainly, Facebook didn't originate that interpretation, but it's helping…

There's a lot more back story. [Here is a video]( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqD8lIdIMRo ) of Putin explaining that we're essentially on the brink of a major world war, and that the average citizen in the western world is oblivious to it. (Or just look up "Putin's warning" and pick your outlet.) Couple that with Hillary's insane anti-Russian position and things could get ugly really quickly.

Would you rather pay the Danegeld and let Russia run amok invading its neighbors?

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That would be wonderful! I hope you're fireproof though, because that would make a lot of people very angry. Not to disabuse you, because I do think it is a good idea, but many people are simply not interested in asking the right questions. I used to belong to a millennial cult which had formerly been proven wrong about 'The End of the World' half a dozen times in the 20th century, and each time they decide the past…

Pity you're downvoted here, as you're raising some good points. Yes, the activity would be quite incendiary, though that's somewhat the case for the news as it is. There is Project Censored, at Sonoma State University in California, which looks at under-reported stories. Cults and their own belief systems is a whole 'nother fascinating area. Have you written on your own experiences on this? On questions and answers I…

> Pity you're downvoted here, as you're raising some good points.

I'm beginning to believe the slightest hint of negativity encourages downvotes irrespective of whether the context is appropriate or not.

> Cults and their own belief systems is a whole 'nother fascinating area. Have you written on your own experiences on this?

A little. Getting out of a cult you're born into is an experience like no other. Many people become zealots of another sort, a different religion or a secular kind. The nearest experience most people will have is finding that somebody they loved has betrayed them.

It's a funny thing you know, I had great anxiety about leaving, but when I left I felt a peculiar joy I cannot adequately describe here.

> I'm looking for a few good questions: https://redd.it/1v052g

I think I was reading your subreddit before last year. How is it going? Have you defined a terminal goal for the question-making or is it a philosophical work in progress?

> I think we're pursuing a lot of the wrong questions, and the answers to the wrong questions are simply meaningless.

I don't think there's a faster way to get diminishing returns than to ask the wrong question. I have suspected for a long time that many things we ask governments to do are mutually contradictory. The effective policy then, is not a government policy of direction and action, but to allow us to join the dots to see that our efforts are in vain.

I envisage a real time system available in each home (optional!) which makes requests and takes requests from householders. Think of a StackExchange, only for the government and citizens to be able to interrelate frictionlessly. A newsfeed of items that actually effect you personally would be terrific by itself.

Simple questions, like "How do I buy land and what regulations do I need to know about" and we already appear to be in the domain of experts. That isn't right. You shouldn't have to wade through a library of content on some obscure website hardly anybody visits.

> Assessing narrative means some way of scoring a narrative. That's an interesting problem in itself.

I think a narrative assessment looking for internal consistency would be an enormous improvement. However; there is a troll/prankster on reddit called vargas who posts these internally consistent but increasingly weird stories. It's the same thing that fools Facebook's trending feature into posting fake stories. That would mean to get somewhere you'd need to store a compare and contrast model of some sort.

> On your "Matrix" example: I'm convinced that one of the key fundamentals of an accurate model of the universe (e.g., a true or useful narrative) is that your different perceptions all tend to correspond. It's when you're getting different messages in different places, or from different sources, that you've got a problem.

That would make a good heuristic for increasing our confidence. You could achieve scaling by invoking human computation such as a kind of capcha that give users little 'stories', and ask them whether they are consistent. I am confident that will work because if your proposition can be shorn of context (events happening to mythical people in mythical lands) people think logically for the most part.

> But there's a huge realm in which a fairly accurate understanding is possible.

Take the Podesta Emails recently. Somebody was asking whether they were real or not. You should be able to verify whether they are real or a work of fiction with such a system. Since lies get harder to cover for the more they multiply, my guess is that this 'verifier' would work.

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