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How I Cured my RSI Pain

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Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

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His experience matches mind as well. Horrible RSI persisting for years, with non of the conventional treatments effective beyond a short amount of time.

After doing a _lot_ of research into this, I experienced an almost complete short-term recovery. It wasn't just lack of pain... muscles that felt perpetually taut and ropey were suddenly softened, and I became extraordinarily thirsty for a couple of days as healing started again.

Unfortunately, I only have speculation about what's going on here medically. As a seasoned skeptic, Dr. Sarno's explanation of psychological causes is unsatisfying to me. My hypothesis is that RSI is caused by a problem in the autonomic nervous system (i.e. the part that regulates your body). Sympathetic nervous system activity is provoked when your body is in "danger" mode: muscles are tensed, ready to act, etc. Now, what happens in RSI is that your muscles are being stressed through use (typing). This isn't normally a problem: when you stop typing, your muscles heal the tiny amount of damage that was inflicted. But if you are stressed out, then your sympathetic nervous system activity is heightened and your muscles don't get a chance to heal.

Now this is the insidious bit: the pain and injury eventually becomes a danger signal to your body. The injury thus provokes further sympathetic nerve activity. This negative feedback loop can thus perpetuate without the person feeling actively stressed any more, but is obviously exacerbated by feelings of worry about the RSI. Every time you try to be careful, you make the problem worse.

For a more medical take, some pieces are conveyed in this article: http://www.aapb.org/tl_files/AAPB/files/biof_34_2_pain.pdf . Some people speculate that similar issues underlie more serious problems, like RSDS and fibromyalgia

So that's all well and good, but what about the "cure"? Well, it seems that many people have virtually instantly solved their problems by adopting positive beliefs about the nature of the problem, that it is a problem caused by problematic nervous system signals and NOT an insoluble muscular injury. How does that work, exactly? I have no idea. Obviously, some stress is reduced, but that can't explain the magnitude and suddenness of the change. If anyone has ideas, I'd be very interested in hearing them.

If you suffer from RSI, the advice I would have is to think about this explanation while researching the ideas thoroughly to see if you're convinced. In the meantime, the best thing to do is daily exercise that isn't too intense, but gets your blood flowing for 20-30 minutes. Biking, running, yoga all have good benefits. You can do things like lift weights as well, but it is easy to overdo it, so I don't recommend it if your symptoms are severe. It's worth reading Dr. Sarno's book, but keep in mind that he uses words like "freudian unconscious rage", which made it hard to take anything he said seriously. In my mind, he is inaccurately explaining something which isn't true but corresponds to _some_ true phenomenon.

I've wanted to write this up for a while, but while I'm relatively convinced that I have a better explanation for RSI than most doctors, I don't really understand how "the solution" works (nor for how many people it does). I also realize that it sounds exceptionally hokey, which fuels my reticence. We'll see how it goes over here... ask me anything.

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#43
[…]You can eliminate the pain by addressing the unconscious stress and becoming consciously aware that the pain is merely a distraction[…]

This sounds a whole lot like Dzogchen meditation practices, their way of cleansing the mental palette, achieving "mindfulness". I remember faintly reading a book my one Norbu Chogyal, or a russian translation of said book. I remember it being the only coherent piece of material on meditation that I have ever come across.

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#44
post #24

If the author of this article is reading this : can you please provide a timeline of events? Spreadsheet with column A = date, column B = event, column C = number of hours per day of typing at this point. Events include {Started Acupuncture, Started using ergonomic product A, EtherPad acquired}, etc; I wish to exclude these 2 possible reasons for the cure: a) a simple reduction in the number of hours on the keyboard…

no wonder your name at HN is _debug_

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

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post #12

I too, encountered crippling RSI pain, and eventually switched to a kinesis keyboard ( http://www.kinesis-ergo.com ). While the keyboards are crazy expensive, and a bit flaky, they completely cured my carpal tunnel. The downside is, I'm now stuck hauling around this weird, non-standard keyboard. :)

Same here. Had nasty pains in both wrists and tried a lot of things until I finally purchased a Kinesis (the current model is this one: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/advantage_pro.htm ) and a Kensington Epert Mouse trackball. I had to learn to type again, but am now faster and completely pain-free for about 6 years.

Very similar experience here; bought myself a Kinesis for home and one for work (I'm sure they'd have paid for it, but I couldn't be bothered). It was quite possibly the best $600 I've ever spent. I don't mouse enough to have yet bothered with the trackball, but perhaps I'll get one to try it out.

The only downside I've found (other than cost, which is a non-issue IMO) is that you get very used to the keyboard and now when I go to a conference room or someplace else with normal keyboards, I might as well be typing with my elbows.

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#46
I had very similar symptoms to this guy (pain starting in the wrists and then forearms/elbows). I have adjusted my typing habits and daily routine as follows:

* Exercise arms with light weights (~10lbs)

* Adjusted chair height

* Started using a real keyboard (I think typing on a MBP for extended periods was a big contributor to my RSI)

* Drink more water, get better sleep, get some kind of exercise

These days, I don't notice any kind of RSI pains. I think generally, RSI (for a typist) is due to combinations of stress, poor posture, lack of general wellness, etc.

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#47
This was a great article and it sounds very familiar.

On and off for the past two years I've experienced similar pain. (see http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=889067). The last three weeks have been particularly bad: I've taken time off, I continue to wear wrist braces at work and at night when I program, I've started doing rigorous hand and wrist exercises daily, and while it has helped a little bit, I still experience a lot of pain. It scares the hell out of me because a lot of my future plans depend on me being able to spend a lot of time programming; without my wrists, I'd be lost.

What occurred to me reading this article is that about three weeks ago I found out about an incredible opportunity that may drastically change my life. (Stay at my day job or leave and work on a startup full time). I've spent a lot of time dwelling on it, trying to decide what to do. It can't be just a coincidence that my debilitating wrist pain started at about the same time.

I'm going to buy the book. I have high hopes. We'll see what happens.

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#48
If I had known about this 14 years ago I would have certainly tried it, I tried many things... the ones that I think were helpful for me are:

Ice bathes for my arms: I filled a sink with water and ice and submerged my arms up to the elbows; this was obviously useful for short term pain relief, and might have helped reduce inflammation over the longer term. It was important to wait until the arms were warmed up again before going back to typing.

Keeping fingernails well trimmed; surprising, but it made a big difference.

Massage; I think it was through massage that I started realizing that even though my symptoms were in the wrists the problem was probably more systemic, it's amazing how much pain a good massage can discover in surprising places!

Stretching; stretching the wrists felt immediately good, as did standing in a doorway, arms on the door frame, and leaning forward. Working on the hamstrings probably helped longer term.

Weight lifting, particularly exercises that strengthened the back; lots of people have mentioned it here, and I credit this for being the biggest long term help.

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#49
post #46

I had very similar symptoms to this guy (pain starting in the wrists and then forearms/elbows). I have adjusted my typing habits and daily routine as follows: * Exercise arms with light weights (~10lbs) * Adjusted chair height * Started using a real keyboard (I think typing on a MBP for extended periods was a big contributor to my RSI) * Drink more water, get better sleep, get some kind of exercise These days, I don'…

The touch pad on the MBP causes me a lot of pain as well. I started carrying around a Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer and had the touchpad turn off when a mouse is plugged in. I'm now able to type for long periods of time without killing my wrist or thumb. (It's still hard to break the habit of tapping the pad with my thumb to click.)

Re: How I Cured my RSI Pain

#50
I'm another guy who had RSI and eventually got better by using Sarno's methods.

Sarno's ideas are a little flakey and a little offputting. But if you have RSI and nothing else seems to help, I recommend swallowing your embarrassment and giving Sarno's approach a real try.

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