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Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by jazzyk » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:13 PM UTC

mbillie1 wrote: post #158

gadders wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> When you read 3 different versions of the same news story by BBC, NPR, and NYT (for example), then hopefully the biases sort of cancel out and you get something closer to the truth. You list three left-leaning news organisations, and expect their biases to cancel out? Wouldn't they reinforce each other?

I am not accusing you personally of this, but the tactic of continually accusing more and more mainstream publications of being left-leaning in order to make room for e.g. Breitbart / InfoWars is becoming increasingly common, and it's a wholly fallacious argument. All you need to do is push the boundary of the extreme right quite far along and all the sudden all ordinary news outlets lean "left" by comparison.

There is wide-spread consensus that BBC, NPR and NYT are left leaning.

But this is not about right/left anymore - the scary fact (and becoming patently obvious to more and more people) is the fact that all "mainstream" media is pro-establishment (whether it is left or right is less important). That's why outlets like Breitbart, warts and all, have been gaining so much popularity.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:14 PM UTC

seertaak wrote: post #185

vinhboy wrote: post #34

Thank god someone is writing about this. Recently I've been on the Yahoo's homepage a lot, because of Fantasy Football, and I noticed that a lot of the content is exactly like the article says, fake news from right-wing propaganda sites. And no, this is not me expressing my liberal bias. It's one thing to have opinionated headlines like the Huffington Post, it's another thing to have a completely fictional headline c…

Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even jus…

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Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by hx87 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:14 PM UTC

cmdrfred wrote: post #258

hx87 wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a public position and a private position is something everyone does--expressing your private position publicly is often detrimental to getting the goal of that position done, so you craft a public position more amenable to achieving that goal.

...and the goal is enriching her donors. As the other leaks show.

It's likely that they're all public positions--finance industry professionals are a 'public' like any other.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by gadders » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:24 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #172

gadders wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> When you read 3 different versions of the same news story by BBC, NPR, and NYT (for example), then hopefully the biases sort of cancel out and you get something closer to the truth. You list three left-leaning news organisations, and expect their biases to cancel out? Wouldn't they reinforce each other?

BBC news is not left leaning. They're frequently criticised by the left in the UK for attacking the left.

They certainly are left-leaning. I'm not saying they are Labour party supporters, but they certainly espouse the same position as the Guardian on many subjects.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by jazzyk » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:24 PM UTC

gadders wrote: post #130

MagnumOpus wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a sad reality that by now much all "right-leaning" media in the US freely lets unchecked lies permeate their reporting. This is true even for the WSJ's political news, let alone USA Today or Fox News which give equal space to fact and fiction. Pretty much the only readable right wing media is foreign - but if he had suggested The Economist or the Financial Times you probably would have called them left-leaning…

I'd have thought the WSJ was pretty reliable. I'm not sure whether they permeate lies, but on the other side you have the NYT giving Hilary's campaign team copy-approval on what they write. If you're after other right-wing UK publications you could try the Daily Telegraph or the Spectator.

Both the WSJ and The Economist represent interests of the Republican Party elite (WSJ) or the globalist elite (The Economist)

I could not believe my eyes when I saw The Economist devoting a full page to Trump's badly-fitting suits and overly-long ties, but musing over Clinton's numerous corruption scandals, because she is the preferred globalist candidate.

I am sad that even The Economist has fallen - I have been a subscriber for 25 years. Perhaps not much longer.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by gadders » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:27 PM UTC

mbillie1 wrote: post #158

gadders wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> When you read 3 different versions of the same news story by BBC, NPR, and NYT (for example), then hopefully the biases sort of cancel out and you get something closer to the truth. You list three left-leaning news organisations, and expect their biases to cancel out? Wouldn't they reinforce each other?

I am not accusing you personally of this, but the tactic of continually accusing more and more mainstream publications of being left-leaning in order to make room for e.g. Breitbart / InfoWars is becoming increasingly common, and it's a wholly fallacious argument. All you need to do is push the boundary of the extreme right quite far along and all the sudden all ordinary news outlets lean "left" by comparison.

I know there are extreme right-wing news outlets, but there are also moderate "sensible" ones as well - the Daily Telegraph and Spectator in the UK, even the Daily Mail.

Breitbart isn't the anti-NYT, it's the anti-Daily Kos.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by gadders » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

jazzyk wrote: post #265

gadders wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd have thought the WSJ was pretty reliable. I'm not sure whether they permeate lies, but on the other side you have the NYT giving Hilary's campaign team copy-approval on what they write. If you're after other right-wing UK publications you could try the Daily Telegraph or the Spectator.

Both the WSJ and The Economist represent interests of the Republican Party elite (WSJ) or the globalist elite (The Economist) I could not believe my eyes when I saw The Economist devoting a full page to Trump's badly-fitting suits and overly-long ties, but musing over Clinton's numerous corruption scandals, because she is the preferred globalist candidate. I am sad that even The Economist has fallen - I have been a s…

I agree with you on the Economist. Their Brexit coverage has been shocking.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by nihonde » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

seertaak wrote: post #185

vinhboy wrote: post #34

Thank god someone is writing about this. Recently I've been on the Yahoo's homepage a lot, because of Fantasy Football, and I noticed that a lot of the content is exactly like the article says, fake news from right-wing propaganda sites. And no, this is not me expressing my liberal bias. It's one thing to have opinionated headlines like the Huffington Post, it's another thing to have a completely fictional headline c…

Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even jus…

Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by nihonde » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

seertaak wrote: post #185

vinhboy wrote: post #34

Thank god someone is writing about this. Recently I've been on the Yahoo's homepage a lot, because of Fantasy Football, and I noticed that a lot of the content is exactly like the article says, fake news from right-wing propaganda sites. And no, this is not me expressing my liberal bias. It's one thing to have opinionated headlines like the Huffington Post, it's another thing to have a completely fictional headline c…

Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even jus…

Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by nihonde » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 4:28 PM UTC

seertaak wrote: post #185

vinhboy wrote: post #34

Thank god someone is writing about this. Recently I've been on the Yahoo's homepage a lot, because of Fantasy Football, and I noticed that a lot of the content is exactly like the article says, fake news from right-wing propaganda sites. And no, this is not me expressing my liberal bias. It's one thing to have opinionated headlines like the Huffington Post, it's another thing to have a completely fictional headline c…

Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even jus…

Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.