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Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by talmand » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:24 PM UTC

tgb wrote: post #162

return0 wrote: post #150

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And for anyone who doubts this, please visit the candidate's reddits https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/ and https://www.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/ just to realize that it's all the media, not just some of them.

/r/the_donald currently has four posts that are just pictures of portions of a centipede, such that if they are voted correctly then they will appear to form a complete centipede. I uh... I'm just not sure what's going on there.

That's called people having fun. Not everything has to be serious all the time.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by talmand » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:28 PM UTC

popmystack wrote: post #153

angry-hacker wrote: post #151

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And Huff constantly publishes stories telling gender doesn't exist. All the scientists beg to differ. Look mate I'm not interested in arguing who is more wrong. The fact is both sides have bias and talk about things that for whatever reason they find most important. And usually it bothers other side of the political spectrum so it's like a never ending loop from both sides.

>And Huff constantly publishes stories telling gender doesn't exist. They definitely don't do this. It seems like you have a significant misunderstanding of the literature being discussed. >Look mate I'm not interested in arguing who is more wrong. No, it's about who is wrong _more often_ and who reports fake stories _more often_. When the standard for one set of sources is consistently absurdly low then you can't ju…

So your standard for trustworthy news is an outlet that is wrong "less often" than their competition you likely already dislike?

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Post by tdkl » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:29 PM UTC

unityByFreedom wrote: post #220

tdkl wrote: post #125

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> He will likely increase tensions on the world stage. While Trumps opponent openly warns Russia of consequences. Lets be objective now.

>> He will likely increase tensions on the world stage. > While Trumps opponent openly warns Russia of consequences. Lets be objective now. Yes, let's. Russia is not an ally. There are consequences to its aggression. Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly said we should extract more money from our allies in east asia, and that we should threaten to withdraw from Japan and South Korea. These are scenarios China and…

> its aggression

I see NATO bases all around the planet.

> The alternative to nuclear war is the proxy wars you see playing out in the middle east.

True. We also know who started that with leaders not bowing to the western interests. While Assad isn't exactly prince charming, his country wasn't in ruins as it is now. Same stands for Gaddafi and Hussein.

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Post by Lawtonfogle » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:30 PM UTC

panic wrote: post #157

angry-hacker wrote: post #104

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For someone outside of U.S, both right (breitbart etc.) and left (huff etc.) are propaganda all the way down . It is your left bias. And the people on other political spectrum feel the same but other way around. Watching American elections is like seeing a freak show. I don't understand who are those people who can support any of the candidates or the media.

The top Breitbart headline, "Criminal Aliens Sexually Assault 70,000 American Women — But Paul Ryan Targets Trump", is willfully inciting anti-immigrant sentiment by taking numbers out of context. According to the report they cite, 69,929 criminal aliens (or 3% of the total criminal alien population they measured) had been arrested for sex-related crimes between August 1955 and April 2010. The number is true but the…

Would you leverage similar criticism towards any other reports concerning sexual assault? Such as how numbers concerning sexual assault on college campuses are told lacking the context of how they were derived and also report magnitudes more crime than official FBI statistics.

It seems both sides abuse these numbers to lead readers to draw certain conclusions. Yet criticism of the practice often is not evenly applied.

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Post by unityByFreedom » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:30 PM UTC

colemickens wrote: post #88

paulddraper wrote: post #63

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> It's being supported by the evangelicals who will not remove their vote from Trump on the grounds that they really want that supreme court seat. You make it sound illogical. As a religious conservative, I do really want that supreme court seat. The President has to really ask for permission for everything else (laws, budgets, wars, etc.), but justice nomination is very largely his choice. Don't be surprised if that…

>Don't be surprised if that factors heavily in my decision. 1. How is that going to affect your decision? Who can you vote for that will ensure the SC seat goes to a conservative? 2. How do you feel about the unprecedented blocking of the President from doing this Constitutional duty of appoint SC justices for 9+ months? Or is that just a small price to pay to get your religious beliefs installed in the highest court…

> Or is that just a small price to pay to get your religious beliefs installed in the highest court in the land?

I don't know why you were downvoted, but I would like to point out that many laws are based on religion, like marrying only one person, or not stealing and killing. We take these for granted because we grew up with them.

So, I'm not sure the argument that they are "installing religious beliefs" does much to convince religious people that they are overreaching. Their feeling is that they are saving people, and they feel this can be done through politics as well as it can be done in person.

I'm not sure I agree with those who vote this way. I just wanted to throw it out there since I doubt you'll get a reply from a religious person.

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Post by talmand » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:30 PM UTC

mbillie1 wrote: post #158

gadders wrote: post #102

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>> When you read 3 different versions of the same news story by BBC, NPR, and NYT (for example), then hopefully the biases sort of cancel out and you get something closer to the truth. You list three left-leaning news organisations, and expect their biases to cancel out? Wouldn't they reinforce each other?

I am not accusing you personally of this, but the tactic of continually accusing more and more mainstream publications of being left-leaning in order to make room for e.g. Breitbart / InfoWars is becoming increasingly common, and it's a wholly fallacious argument. All you need to do is push the boundary of the extreme right quite far along and all the sudden all ordinary news outlets lean "left" by comparison.

To be fair, the opposite is true as well.

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Post by 551199 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:31 PM UTC

JeremyNT wrote: post #221

seertaak wrote: post #185

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Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even jus…

I was curious about this Greenwald quote, which does not really match my perception of recent media coverage, so I went and looked up the date[0]: the article in which the quote appears was published in July. Greenwald's context here is mostly (or entirely? I'm not sure when the interview itself was conducted) based on the primary process, which certainly seemed strongly anti-Trump, to the extent that many outlets ev…

I don't vote but the media bias against Trump is absolutely ridiculous. Makes me question everything I've read from the news. False story after story.

Clinton campaigns Wikileaks emails confirm a vast media collaboration campaign to smear Trump and avoid negative Clinton stories.

Considering Greenwalt: October 11 2016, Glenn Greenwald: In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/in-the-democratic-echo-c...

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Post by paulddraper » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:34 PM UTC

unityByFreedom wrote: post #67

paulddraper wrote: post #63

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> It's being supported by the evangelicals who will not remove their vote from Trump on the grounds that they really want that supreme court seat. You make it sound illogical. As a religious conservative, I do really want that supreme court seat. The President has to really ask for permission for everything else (laws, budgets, wars, etc.), but justice nomination is very largely his choice. Don't be surprised if that…

> You make it sound illogical. > As a religious conservative, I do really want that supreme court seat. That factors heavily in the decision. Sorry, that's my bias seeping in. I respect your choice. > The President has to really ask for permission for everything else (laws, budgets, wars, etc.), but justice nomination is very largely his choice. Don't be surprised if that factors heavily in my decision. Not nuclear.…

> greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights

That's a tall order.

To put that claim in perspective, more Americans die in abortions every year than have died in combat in the entire history of the US.

(Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers.)

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Post by 2AF3 » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:35 PM UTC

FullMtlAlcoholc wrote: post #45

mjfl wrote: post #4

You're going to have to break the Turing Test before you get good automated content curation. There will always be error. People are worried about bias. I'm skeptical that humans have the ability to be politically unbiased on an individual level. Many modern political issues do not have a middle ground - take abortion, you are either for choice, or you believe it is infanticide. So let's stop pretending to be unbiase…

>Many modern political issues do not have a middle ground - take abortion, you are either for choice, or you believe it is infanticide. So let's stop pretending to be unbiased. You're falling into the trap of American politics by making every issue a binary choice. For instance, I find the abortion debate to be such a non-issue and if someone asks me what my stance is, I respond by saying I haven't done enough resear…

death is binary

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Post by unityByFreedom » Thu, Oct 13, 2016, 3:40 PM UTC

dlss wrote: post #113

unityByFreedom wrote: post #48

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I think he's serious. This is the nationalist mindset. "Create more walls. Diversity is difficult." We all know what happens when we stop reaching across the divide. We go into our holes, there is miscommunication, and small disagreements turn into wars. Focusing on the areas where we disagree widens the chasm. We can bridge it by looking for common goals.

Hmm. Now I can't tell if your reply is serious :p As near as I can tell, the political process converts ideas from logical propositions into group signaling devices. Once a idea becomes a signal, any question of its truth or falsehood is commonly ignored for several human generations. Keeping ideas that have already become signals quarantined, and minimizing overlap between groups in a context where they are likely t…

> Hmm. Now I can't tell if your reply is serious :p

I am, it is..

> As near as I can tell, the political process converts ideas from logical propositions into group signaling devices. Once a idea becomes a signal, any question of its truth or falsehood is commonly ignored for several human generations.

This is true for more than just politics. Our language, culture, habits, facial expressions etc. are all learned from society. You can find evidence of ideologies in all of these.

> We see tribal wars precisely when there is political outreach, not when there is focus on other things.

I think both can be true. Best, to me, is if we can foster environments that both provide different views and also allow new ideas to grow without being persecuted. I don't think this happens by building walls around everything. There is a balance to strike.