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Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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> NPR, NYTimes, WaPO Not directed at you specifically, but if you think those sources are unbiased, it just means that you're bad at detecting bias. Edit: Haha, this one struck a chord.

I am completely ok with you directing that comment at me, because I fundamentally disagree with your assessment. I have a pretty complete understanding of current events from reading those sources. For your statement to be valid, you'd have to prove that there is a considerable amount of information missing and is only available via conservative media.

I have a pretty complete understanding of current events

That's a bold claim.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I genuinely can't tell if this comment is sarcastic or not. And I don't mean that insultingly. It's an obvious conclusion to jump to from the initially rejected premise that hyper-equality of treatment is wrong, but of course it ignores the enormous cost of creating echo chambers. It seems like the 'correct' solution doesn't lie at one of these poles, unfortunately.

I think he's serious. This is the nationalist mindset. "Create more walls. Diversity is difficult." We all know what happens when we stop reaching across the divide. We go into our holes, there is miscommunication, and small disagreements turn into wars. Focusing on the areas where we disagree widens the chasm. We can bridge it by looking for common goals.

Hmm. Now I can't tell if your reply is serious :p

As near as I can tell, the political process converts ideas from logical propositions into group signaling devices. Once a idea becomes a signal, any question of its truth or falsehood is commonly ignored for several human generations.

Keeping ideas that have already become signals quarantined, and minimizing overlap between groups in a context where they are likely to "go tribal" and convert more ideas into signals seems vitally important to me. That online discourse seems to have shifted towards a war of tribes rather than a crowd of individuals is (to me) a tragedy of the highest order.

> This is the nationalist mindset. "Create more walls. Diversity is difficult."

I do not think this course of action appeals to me because of a "nationalist mindset," but rather from a desire to see less topics become part of such mindsets. I guess I'd agree with "Create more walls. Partisanship is difficult." (though on the condition that the walls were around already partisan topics, and not in general)

> We all know what happens when we stop reaching across the divide. We go into our holes, there is miscommunication, and small disagreements turn into wars.

This is a shocking/wrong statement to me. We see tribal wars precisely when there is political outreach, not when there is focus on other things.

Consider HackerNews. Lately it has been taken over by heated discussions centered around political topics, in my model mostly because of the increased outreach due to this being an election year. Once the election passes, I hope, we will go back to discussing technical topics in blissful/ignorant harmony.

> Focusing on the areas where we disagree widens the chasm. We can bridge it by looking for common goals.

Yes exactly, hence the importance of keeping walls around partisan topics...

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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For someone outside of U.S, both right (breitbart etc.) and left (huff etc.) are propaganda all the way down . It is your left bias. And the people on other political spectrum feel the same but other way around. Watching American elections is like seeing a freak show. I don't understand who are those people who can support any of the candidates or the media.

I disagree. Not well versed in Huff Po but the left-leaning likes of NYT publish stories based in fact and backed up with reporting. Breitbart report whatever they wish without ever confirming if anything in a story is true.

Well I just checked the stories of Breitbart and looks all the things they write are true and have sources. Just checked few, I'm not an expert. I only read American propaganda newspapers sometimes out of morbid curiosity.

The difference is how you spin the headlines and the facts. Both parties are guilty. Both parties feel only other side is doing it or say but look at the other website or magazine.

Huff is full of titles Trump is sexual predator without facts, just talks. Breitbart is full of stories Bill is rapist. So what's the difference?

It's all the same shit. It is just your bias talking.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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I disagree. Not well versed in Huff Po but the left-leaning likes of NYT publish stories based in fact and backed up with reporting. Breitbart report whatever they wish without ever confirming if anything in a story is true.

Can you link to a story that reports a 'fact' that is proven false? Because yes, I see the political-right spin on the facts on Breitbart but I've never seen them report something that is flat-out wrong.

Paid protestors at Trump events:

http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/07/breitbart-duped-by-fake-new...

Loretta Lynch as a member of Bill Clinton's defense team:

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/nov/10/...

Pretended a Cleveland Cavaliers crowd was a Trump crowd:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/04/breitbart-news-doesnt-mind...

Not to mention the whole ACORN thing in 2009:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACORN_2009_undercover_videos...

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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I don't understand why facebook repeatedly tries (and fails) to become a news source. They can make more money by being the world's watering hole, there is no need (and not much money imo) for going after the role of newspapers/tv. Given that their offering is exclusively popularity-driven, the quality of their news offering will always be less-than, or equal-to a very bad tabloid. If they are looking for political power, they already have it by controlling communication channels.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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You're going to have to break the Turing Test before you get good automated content curation. There will always be error. People are worried about bias. I'm skeptical that humans have the ability to be politically unbiased on an individual level. Many modern political issues do not have a middle ground - take abortion, you are either for choice, or you believe it is infanticide. So let's stop pretending to be unbiase…

> there should be "block designed" hiring around these issues to maximize political diversity and reduce bias in aggregate How do we deal with those who would push treasonous information? If WikiLeaks publishes correspondence between, say, USA and China, that is private because China wanted it that way, and that hurts American allies, should this be allowed to trend on an American-based website? Has WikiLeaks contrib…

These are very good questions, and have been debated at extensively (as you might imagine for such important questions) by humanity's legal, ethical, and philosophical scholars.

Here's the current state of things with references as to why: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_the_Unite... although I have some emotional disagreement with those policies at times, I can't say I'm well read enough on the topic to really have a strong disagreement personally.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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Fake news are better than biased news.

In a sense, biased news are also fake. They don't cover the whole truth and may contain traces of nontruths. Similarly, all fake news are biased, unless they are markov chain -generated gibberish with apolitical sample data.

Re: Facebook Has Repeatedly Trended Fake News Since Firing Its Human Editors

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I don't understand why facebook repeatedly tries (and fails) to become a news source. They can make more money by being the world's watering hole, there is no need (and not much money imo) for going after the role of newspapers/tv. Given that their offering is exclusively popularity-driven, the quality of their news offering will always be less-than, or equal-to a very bad tabloid. If they are looking for political p…

I think their long term plan is to literally take over the entire internet, by replacing every feature of every successful category of website. The free Facebook-net for India and Africa, this Facebook for enterprise thing, the embedded games, video... I fully expect to see Facebook for schools soon, followed by diplomas and then degrees granted by a Facebook online university.

Maybe they will even try to roll out a voting app some day? It could start as a polling app, and then slowly take over the voting booths in areas where they can buy the necessary permissions. Those governments that grant them control over their elections would celebrate increased voter turnout, and accept a massive campaign contribution (in "premium" Facebook ads) for being the party that opened the door. Jesus, now that I think about it, we could actually end up with a real technocracy in a generation or two, run by... Facebook. That is really, really scary. Brawndo.

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