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Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by konart »

omginternets wrote: post #70
cdelsolar wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

log files?

Use something else for viewing log files! Going through log files and developing software are related, but distinct enterprises. It's no wonder the tools for one are sometimes suboptimal for the other. Atom is about nice aesthetics, github integration and a plugin ecosystem. It's not trying to solve the problem of reading through massive log files.

>Atom is about nice aesthetics, github integration and a plugin ecosystem

Same goes for Sublime. And arguably - Sublime has much better plugin ecosystem. With easier discovery and installation.

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by preek »

Shorel wrote: post #126
preek wrote: post #80

The headline on the Landing Page says "Elegant Free Open-Source". I for one applaud these great selling propositions. And I'm speaking after using Emacs and VIM for 15 years having not seen one other editor concept that was ultimately superior. Sublime Text was horrible in that it offered an easy refuge so many young and inexperienced people. But ultimately it was a closed source prison that they got pulled into. And…

Why lock yourself into learning Spanish if you already can do everything with English? /s My crazy previous sentence intends to show the false dichotomy in your arguments. People can use SublimeText everyday while also using Vim in remote SSH sessions, and I have seen many do precisely that. Others endure Notepad++ and seem happy doing it. It is an AND world, not and OR world. Learning to use a tool doesn't make me f…

Well, I'd learn Spanish precisely, because you cannot do everything in English.

Also, both these languages are perfectly fine. They are not closed down, belong to no single entity and can never be made obsolete by not providing more patches.

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by eriknstr »

chmike wrote: post #68
nitemice wrote: post #23

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Really, this is more like [NeoVim]( https://github.com/neovim/neovim ), in the way it's structured and with its aim to rebuild its namesake in a modular fashion with swappable UIs.

As an old prgrammer feeling the limit of neuron counts and possible premise of alzheimer, I avoid tools where you have to know by hart all the commands or have to read a long help text to find what you need. I use vim as editor for system files, but I only use the 1% of its capabilities I really need. All these shortcuts make me sick because I can't remember them and can't easily find them. That's also why I don't li…

For a bit more about what flukus mentioned with regards to vim being a language, not a bunch of commands, see e.g. http://yanpritzker.com/2011/12/16/learn-to-speak-vim-verbs-n...

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by coldtea »

minitech wrote: post #87
jdefr89 wrote: post #28

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As a Vim addict/user. All I really want is a bit more modernization. I mean single threaded text editor in 2016.. NeoVim is supposed to be the savior.. But I don't feel like it gets a lot of support...

Why does your text editor need multiple threads?

To avoid blocking?

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by coldtea »

omginternets wrote: post #60
timehastoldme wrote: post #34

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Atom (hear me out): + runs graphically + runs linux, macos, windows (nothing else?) + open source + ridiculously, easily extensible + not riddled with bugs (slowness is not a bug) + for small files, comparably quick to Sublime on my machine + major dev community; already much better than 6 months ago - slow in some instances, esp. large files - doesn't run in terminal - doesn't run in less-popular OSes +/- moderate R…

Honestly I don't get the Atom hate. It's a great editor. I came to Atom from Sublime because the plugin ecosystem was growing much faster and the community felt more active. I haven't looked back since. And no, Atom not designed to open 30Mb files. Complaining about this is akin to stomping on a land mine and complaining that your Timberland boots didn't save your foot. Just use Atom for its intended purpose: editing…

>And no, Atom not designed to open 30Mb files. Complaining about this is akin to stomping on a land mine and complaining that your Timberland boots didn't save your foot.

No, it's more like having a car that doesn't get to 70mph.

It's useless on the Interstate, and it's also not that good on regular city traffic, because the same limitations that make it unable to reach 70mph also make it clunky at 10mph.

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by preek »

oblio wrote: post #116
preek wrote: post #89

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Good luck my good friend with having tied your professional fortune to a small company that you are not affiliated with. This is not politics, this is simply dangerous and I do feel that way every time I see someone with a copy of Sublime. Since I'm a lecturer, I see this issue of lock-in and easy vs. simple/powerful a lot. I'm not taking this lightly, I want the best for my fellow professionals that are just too you…

> As for simplicity, there is nothing that I have seen in any editor that is simpler than VIM modal editing or a LISP-machine to do everything. Having a shiny GUI is inherently not simple, but complex. I'm a Vim user. But it's exactly this kind of thing that pushes newbies away. Yes, Vim is "simple" conceptually. But in this real world we live in, Vim often makes things more complicated. It's one more thing to learn…

I concur. That's why the only good thing that I said about VIM is the modal editing which is the most pleasing and efficient mode of editing text that I have ever seen.

However, all your points are very correct! That is why I have switched to Emacs where I can still have full VIM modal editing with the other issues you mentioned not being an issue. Emacs has a mode called 'evil' which fully emulates VIM.

Best of both worlds^^

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by chiefalchemist »

SCdF wrote: post #128
timehastoldme wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Atom (hear me out): + runs graphically + runs linux, macos, windows (nothing else?) + open source + ridiculously, easily extensible + not riddled with bugs (slowness is not a bug) + for small files, comparably quick to Sublime on my machine + major dev community; already much better than 6 months ago - slow in some instances, esp. large files - doesn't run in terminal - doesn't run in less-popular OSes +/- moderate R…

> (slowness is not a bug) Woah. woah. woah. Back the truck up. Slowness is most definitely a bug.

Slowness isn't a bug. It's a feature.

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by chiefalchemist »

Karunamon wrote: post #86
preek wrote: post #80

The headline on the Landing Page says "Elegant Free Open-Source". I for one applaud these great selling propositions. And I'm speaking after using Emacs and VIM for 15 years having not seen one other editor concept that was ultimately superior. Sublime Text was horrible in that it offered an easy refuge so many young and inexperienced people. But ultimately it was a closed source prison that they got pulled into. And…

Last I checked, Sublime is easily extensible with Python. What is this "lock in" you speak of? What "prison"? This reads like FSF.org hyperbole. Here comes the snark in reply to the snark: Someone had to come along and show that text editing didn't require the inscrutable complexity of Vim or Emacs, the kind of overwrought, overcomplicated, elitist and impractical user-hostility that absolutely dominates Open Source…

"Many users don't consider Open Source to be a selling point. I am one of them. I choose my tools based on their usefulness, not the political status of their code, not intangible theoretical posturing about good and evil in the context of a fucking text editor."

That's a very good point. Longevity and sustainable is important. Let's be honest, OSS is subject to trends. That is, as soon as the thrill is gone the audience is likely to move on and you're left with what? A fax machine?

Sure, a for profit might do the same. But it seems less likely.

The OSS ideal is great. The reality is, like everything else, it has a dark side.

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by IsmaOlvey »

cyberferret wrote: post #12

Funny - Sublime has been taking a pounding from all angles over the years, but still seems to be bouncing back off the ropes and swinging hard. This project looked familiar, and I seem to recall coming across it a while back. As others have pointed out, the blog hasn't been updated since 2014, so it looks like a stalled project. Another points victory to Sublime perhaps? ;)

If you took some time to check the commit histories of the two most important repositories (backend and lime-qml), you'd see that they both have commits as recently as August.

Blog and website activity are not always indicative of project activity.

Re: Lime Text – Open Source Sublime Text alternative (2014)

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Post by SCdF »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #137
SCdF wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (slowness is not a bug) Woah. woah. woah. Back the truck up. Slowness is most definitely a bug.

Slowness isn't a bug. It's a feature.

Are you being glib or serious? If you're serious I'm interested in your take.
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