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Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I lived in SF briefly and noticed the presence of WF everywhere in CA. I am from NYC, so Chase and Citi are more likely to be around. Just curious about "but no other bank can fill its shoes in terms of online services and ubiquity." I don't have that experience with other banks - I find the right agent and I get the right service, not every time, but definitely there are good people I can work with. Mind to clarify…

In SF more than everywhere else, would you ever need to withdraw cash? I'd think as long as you had apple-pay or a debit card you'd be fine.

I have very little experience in SF, but I'm sure that drugs are still largely a cash business there.

Of course, a drug dealer with a square reader plugged into his iPhone would happen first in SF.

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I highly recommend listening to a recent episode[1] of Planet Money. This was by no means an accident. As a short summary of one employee's plight: Ashley, working for them and making only $35k per year in San Francisco, was continually harassed to sign people up for accounts they didn't want. An old man comes in, pensioner, $200 in overdraft fees due to being duped into excess accounts. She dips into her own savings…

> This was by no means an accident. Thank you for pointing this out. I keep seeing comments to the effect of "Wells doesn't make any significant profit from opening bogus accounts (unused accounts are typically unprofitable to the company), so the executives couldn't have wanted this." These comments reflect a misunderstanding of modern executive compensation and the incentive structures set up for executives in larg…

+1 for William K. Black - he's a terrific authority on this subject and a fantastic speaker.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I never wanted to do business with WF in the first place, but I bought a house a few years ago and the mortgage company sold my mortgage to WF. Being forced to be someone's customer against your will sucks.

Why should you care who services your mortgage? The only thing on your mind should be proper treatment of any payments you make exceeding your standard payment. You need to be sure that extra amounts are credited to principal.

Because you are funding evil? Why would you not care? Why is half of the world sociopaths?

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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> Wells Fargo put her onto a permanent blacklist that others in the industry pay attention to - she can't get a job anywhere else. I just listened to this episode last night, by chance. She speculates that she is on a blacklist, because she's having trouble finding work. But there's a more charitable (to the other banks) explanaton: she was a very low level employee who, true or not, just got fired for a massive frau…

It sounded like they verified her speculation: SMITH: Ashley tried to get another job in banking, but she found that she never made it very far past the initial interviews. She suspected that Wells Fargo had put some sort of black mark on her record somewhere. And it turns out that is exactly the case. Wells Fargo wasn't joking around when they said they would make it hard for her to find work again. ARNOLD: No. Well…

That's what's so great about Planet Money and Radiolab: They do some actual journalism and try to track down sources. There's only very few outlets left who do that and we should support them as much as possible. In the podcast world these are the only ones coming to mind (along with some spinoffs like More Perfect) - maybe someone here has others. I do listen to others sometimes, like Invisibilia or Freakonomics, but in terms of journalistic merit they don't even come close IMO.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I worked at Wells Fargo back in 2003. The emphasis on product bundling predates Stumpf and was attributed to Kovacevich when I worked there, and they were very proud of its effectiveness on the bank's bottom line. The unwanted accounts shenanigans were well in play when I started. I recall having to call branches to report this stuff and have accounts closed(phone bankers had some status back then at least, though I'm sure the branch managers ignored my whistle blowing).

You might think sales doesn't have much to do with customer service(phone bankers) right? Wrong. Every customer contact was considered a sales opportunity. The primary goal of every call was not helping the customer, it was refering a product and getting them on the line with a sales rep for "more information"(cause who doesn't want more information?!). From memory our major KPI's were close rate, referrals, and call time. You pretty much needed to refer a product on most calls to hit your numbers, regardless of whether the customer actually needed/would benefit from it. That covers referral rate, but they tighten the close rate and referral rate screws separately on you.

The goals they set were hard and getting harder at the time, but obtainable without gaming if you had no shame. Oh, gaming. Gaming was manipulating the system in any way. Opening accounts without proper customer consent was gaming. Other forms of gaming did not amount to fraud. Gaming was rife.

My best friend at the time, and still long time friend to this day, worked in the phone bank as customer service for about a year before making it to the sales team down stairs. Sales was a bit better from what I understand; we both had nightmares about customer service. After he graduated from college he was promoted to Sales Manager. He informs me that, depressingly, some of the same managers are there to this day. While he was there a few of the managers including himself were on the lookout for gaming, the rest I hear were actively for whatever was necessary to meet team numbers. I doubt even the highest person at the center gave a shit; whatever it took to appear to be hitting the numbers C-Levels set to get those bonuses.

My friend tells me he probably would have put a bullet in his head if he had not gotten out of there.

P.S. I'm still a Wells Fargo customer and recent events will not change that.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I highly recommend listening to a recent episode[1] of Planet Money. This was by no means an accident. As a short summary of one employee's plight: Ashley, working for them and making only $35k per year in San Francisco, was continually harassed to sign people up for accounts they didn't want. An old man comes in, pensioner, $200 in overdraft fees due to being duped into excess accounts. She dips into her own savings…

A while back, credit reporting agencies hustled to adjust in the face of a few, but monetarily very successful, libel suits -- IIRC from memory. It would seem that, with the right legal representation -- one willing to go the distance -- Ashley might have grounds for a very significant libel suit. Wells Fargo management deserves to go to jail, in my opinion. However, it would also give me great joy to see them lose h…

It is enforced. See Arthur Andersen.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I highly recommend listening to a recent episode[1] of Planet Money. This was by no means an accident. As a short summary of one employee's plight: Ashley, working for them and making only $35k per year in San Francisco, was continually harassed to sign people up for accounts they didn't want. An old man comes in, pensioner, $200 in overdraft fees due to being duped into excess accounts. She dips into her own savings…

> This was by no means an accident. Thank you for pointing this out. I keep seeing comments to the effect of "Wells doesn't make any significant profit from opening bogus accounts (unused accounts are typically unprofitable to the company), so the executives couldn't have wanted this." These comments reflect a misunderstanding of modern executive compensation and the incentive structures set up for executives in larg…

This is also known as Agency Problem.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/a/agencyproblem.asp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal-agent_problem

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