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Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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Perhaps you can refinance? Lots of banks offer no-fee refinances. I used Cash Call (not that they have an amazing reputation) but they did a good job with my refi.

... and then it's very likely that you will end up back with Wells Fargo, since they are one of the few banks that service mortgages. Most finance companies sell your loan shortly after originating it.

Citibank tends to keep the mortgage servicing to themselves. They might sell it to fannie mae or similar but you still deal with them as far as payments go.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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Until the headline reads "Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Goes To Jail", nothing changes.

I would be fine with "Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Ordered to Pay Back Fraudulent Fees to Wells Fargo Clients, Out of Own Pocket" (possibly down to some wealth limit, say, he can keep the $35K he apparently pays to his employees if his fortune is not enough to restore the damage). I am not a big believer in jail as punishment (as opposed to "place we keep people who are dangerous to others, for the good of society at…

Wells Fargo made about $2.5m from the fraudulent accounts, and Stumpf had $40m+ of compensation clawed back.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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Elizabeth Warren deserves a lot of credit for putting the heat on Stumpf. Coincidentally, one of the leaked Democratic e-mails from this week features banking lobbyists complaining to Democratic party officials about Warren:

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/warren-goldman-dccc/

The apparent coziness between the party and the banks is a whole other can of worms, but that Warren doesn't hesitate to go against the party grain and attack folks like Stumpf is a nice thing to see. Good on her.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I lived in SF briefly and noticed the presence of WF everywhere in CA. I am from NYC, so Chase and Citi are more likely to be around. Just curious about "but no other bank can fill its shoes in terms of online services and ubiquity." I don't have that experience with other banks - I find the right agent and I get the right service, not every time, but definitely there are good people I can work with. Mind to clarify…

In SF more than everywhere else, would you ever need to withdraw cash? I'd think as long as you had apple-pay or a debit card you'd be fine.

There are many places that are cash only. Tattoo parlors (reputable ones, at that), restaurants, tips for valets, etc. Cash isn't dead just yet.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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I highly recommend listening to a recent episode[1] of Planet Money. This was by no means an accident. As a short summary of one employee's plight: Ashley, working for them and making only $35k per year in San Francisco, was continually harassed to sign people up for accounts they didn't want. An old man comes in, pensioner, $200 in overdraft fees due to being duped into excess accounts. She dips into her own savings…

> This was by no means an accident.

Thank you for pointing this out. I keep seeing comments to the effect of "Wells doesn't make any significant profit from opening bogus accounts (unused accounts are typically unprofitable to the company), so the executives couldn't have wanted this." These comments reflect a misunderstanding of modern executive compensation and the incentive structures set up for executives in large companies like this.

What happened here is called control fraud [1], and it started at the top. Stumpf repeatedly bragged to investors about Wells' supposed cross-selling abilities, and these representations were priced into Wells' stock (being good at selling would suggest future growth). Because a higher stock price maximizes his own personal compensation (and his cash compensation, i.e. bonus, as well), the incentives down the line were set to maximize this metric. Tolstedt was in charge of the retail unit and her own compensation was substantially based on this same metric. This continued down to the low-level branch employee level, where the perverse incentive structure and ability to hire and fire (and threat of such) was guaranteed to produce massive fraud. The company and its shareholders do not benefit from this (they are victims, essentially); the responsible executives do, since this increases their personal compensation.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_fraud. You should read more about what William K. Black (former federal S&L regulator during the S&L crisis, at the Office of Thrift Supervision and its predecessors; Keating Five whistleblower; and current economics & law professor at UMKC) has to say on this topic in general.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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It will be a massive golden parachute. No doubt.

"Financial details of Stumpf's retirement plan are unknown, but Equilar estimates he walks with $134.1 million from retirement. The package remains that large even after Stumpf last month agreed to a $41 million clawback following a grilling he received from the Senate Banking Committee reprimanding him for not taking responsibility. He agreed to give up unvested stock, but still owns shares vested in previous years.…

He only gets to walk away with $90 million. That will send a clear signal to the other execs to not encourage fraud. /s.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

#117
Let me just link to Matt Levine's take: https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-09-09/wells-far....

TL/DR: The bank probably didn't benefit on net from the fraud, even before the fines. This is more a case of management setting unreasonable sales goals and creating a terrible work environment than a conspiracy to commit fraud against bank customers.

Re: Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf Steps Down

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The New York Times this morning about his supposed successor:

"As chief administrative officer from 2010 to 2011, however, Mr. Sloan’s role included overseeing Wells Fargo’s human resources and reputation management. He then became finance chief for three years. And one of his direct reports when he was promoted to chief operating officer last year was Carrie Tolstedt, who ran the offending community-banking division until earlier this year.

That makes Mr. Sloan a member of the inner circle that would have known about the wrongdoing from its early days and tried to deal with it. This group hardly covered itself in glory: It was still handing out pink slips in 2016, five years after the first bankers were shown the door. Mr. Stumpf and Ms. Tolstedt have already ceded compensation for the mess. Investigations by the board and regulators may yet implicate Mr. Sloan and others."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/12/business/dealbook/wells-fa...

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