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Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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So it Server less Framework that seems to be considerably tied to AWS servers . EDIT. Only writing this because its in fact possible to imagine serverLESS framework these days (web workers, p2p etc), but this seems to be just about more volatile servers.

'Serverless' as currently jargoned is used to connote that the developer does not have to think about servers (or VM's or containers) directly. The 'serverless' buzzword does not mean that there are not servers somewhere doing useful work.

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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Thanks, appreciate the shoutout! There certainly are other open source tools like ansible, Chef, Puppet, Hashicorp, MongoDB (and many more) that have started out as an Open Source project and are still OSS champions. We have many plans for monetisation and are working closely with small to enterprise scale companies on building products and services around the Framework that help you once your infrastructure has reac…

hashicorp is a company started my Mitchel Hashimoto. There is no open source tool named hashicorp. Do you perhaps mean vagrant?

Sorry yup I conflated Open Source Tools and Open Source Companies into one. Vagrant, Terraform, Packer, Serv and all the other great stuff coming out of Hashicorp.

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

#23

So it Server less Framework that seems to be considerably tied to AWS servers . EDIT. Only writing this because its in fact possible to imagine serverLESS framework these days (web workers, p2p etc), but this seems to be just about more volatile servers.

'Serverless' as currently jargoned is used to connote that the developer does not have to think about servers (or VM's or containers) directly. The 'serverless' buzzword does not mean that there are not servers somewhere doing useful work.

Exactly, added a small piece of text to the README about this today: https://github.com/serverless/serverless/#why-serverless

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

#24

So it Server less Framework that seems to be considerably tied to AWS servers . EDIT. Only writing this because its in fact possible to imagine serverLESS framework these days (web workers, p2p etc), but this seems to be just about more volatile servers.

There are pull-requests open which enable the framework to be used with Azure or IBM BlueMix OpenWhisk

Hmm if I recall they had logos of azure, ibm whisk, and google cloud fns in their project. Seems those logos have recently been removed. Is this indicative of the future of this project, leaning towards AWS lock-in?

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are pull-requests open which enable the framework to be used with Azure or IBM BlueMix OpenWhisk

Hmm if I recall they had logos of azure, ibm whisk, and google cloud fns in their project. Seems those logos have recently been removed. Is this indicative of the future of this project, leaning towards AWS lock-in?

Absolutely not. We definitely want to support all of those providers, but as those integrations aren't in the Framework yet we decided to remove the logos until we actually support them.

Not just because users want those, but for us its important to become more provider independent as we don't otherwise have a defensible product. So multi-provider is definitely coming and we're in constant contact with many providers.

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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I really love the new development being done to simplify cloud deployments of stateless horizontally scalable services. Once Serverless supports other λaas offerings I think this will really take off. In addition to the big boys (Amazon, IBM, Google, Microsoft), I'd love to see some alternative stable open source providers come about. Maybe something built on top of kubernetes or docker swarm.

We're actually talking to everyone you mentioned. I'd love to see some "on-premise" Serverless infrastructure as well, the biggest issue with that is still the event system as a Serverless infrastructure really mostly makes sense if you can do things like "when you upload something to this bucket run this function". This is hard to replicate in an on-premise system.

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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I really love the new development being done to simplify cloud deployments of stateless horizontally scalable services. Once Serverless supports other λaas offerings I think this will really take off. In addition to the big boys (Amazon, IBM, Google, Microsoft), I'd love to see some alternative stable open source providers come about. Maybe something built on top of kubernetes or docker swarm.

We're actually talking to everyone you mentioned. I'd love to see some "on-premise" Serverless infrastructure as well, the biggest issue with that is still the event system as a Serverless infrastructure really mostly makes sense if you can do things like "when you upload something to this bucket run this function". This is hard to replicate in an on-premise system.

I don't get what's so difficult to do on-prem. Your target market on-prem all use Kafka as their event bus and either Mesos or Kubernetes as their execution fabric - what's so tricky about fitting into that?

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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Congrats on the raise, but I'll be honest it really rubs me the wrong way that they renamed to "Serverless Framework" from JAWS. They should have picked a different name. The word "Serverless", for better or worse, was what the community settled on. Lot of companies and individuals use it in many different ways and have before this project existed. But they are trying to own it[1]. Not being a good community member IMO.

Edit: An example of the kind of thing I am concerned will happen[2]. Use the word "serverless" in a project? Get a take down notice.

[1]http://tmsearch.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4802:t7t...

[2]https://twitter.com/sindresorhus/status/776142274564616192

Re: Releasing Serverless Framework V.1, and Fundraising

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We're actually talking to everyone you mentioned. I'd love to see some "on-premise" Serverless infrastructure as well, the biggest issue with that is still the event system as a Serverless infrastructure really mostly makes sense if you can do things like "when you upload something to this bucket run this function". This is hard to replicate in an on-premise system.

I don't get what's so difficult to do on-prem. Your target market on-prem all use Kafka as their event bus and either Mesos or Kubernetes as their execution fabric - what's so tricky about fitting into that?

Its not about how tricky the implementation is, but what the value of setting this up is. With Lambda for example you just get this magic that invokes your functions when something happens. You don't have to deal with, manage or think about this at all. And its built into many different parts of the stack from S3 to APIG to Dynamo or SNS.

You can of course do something like that yourself in your own infrastructure, but then every piece of software needs to support it somehow, you need to manage that event bus infrastructure and you most likely have to push those events in yourself.

And that kind of thing is already there, so the appeal that Serverless event driven systems in the cloud have (because the providers give you all of this out of the box) is much harder to achieve when you have to do that yourself.

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