You might not need JavaScript

Post by oliv__ » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 2:03 PM UTC

haalcion2 wrote: post #118

IanCal wrote: post #39

I'm cautious about using CSS to do things that feel like actual behaviours. For example, the modal that appears when you click on the button actually doesn't do things on "clicking" but focusing . This means if you tab over the button it'll load the modal, then tabbing away means the modal is gone. I can't tab into the content in the modal at all. How does that work with accessibility? Though I generally dislike the…

> The "Would you prefer a banana or a cherry?" just shouts "Please match the requested format" if I type "a cherry". I know chrome has nothing else to go on other than "the regex wasn't matched" but it's a bad end user experience. Localized custom validation messages for the provided pattern should be added as part of HTML spec. Someone should follow up on that, because it'll probably be too much of a waste of time f…

Post by dumbmatter » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

arkx wrote: post #60

coldtea wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Safari is the new IE6, stop supporting it and let it die. Not sure what old wives tales you have heard, but actually Safari was the first browser to 100% support ES6. And compared to Chrome, it uses 1/3 less battery...

He is parroting a year old clickbait headline ( https://nolanlawson.com/2015/06/30/safari-is-the-new-ie/ ) where the main gripes were that - Apple didn't attend EdgeConf 2015 - https://webkit.org/blog/ was not updated often enough - Safari 9 had a seriously buggy IndexedDB (fixed in Safari 10)

Post by gkya » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 2:27 PM UTC

kqr wrote: post #95

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #58

So let's show off what you can do without JavaScript...but also include SCSS as a dependency when the opening paragraph complains about a JavaScript dependency? Madness...but I digress. Some of these are cool examples. Others, like the modal, won't scale very well because now you can trigger modals by tabbing (breaks keyboard navigation) or most of the form examples as you'll likely hit many endpoints that require JS…

I agree, but I think you're putting the emphasis in the wrong place. A SCSS dependency isn't that bad because the client will never see it. What is bad is code that's hard to maintain. When I did a stint of front end development recently, I went in with the mindset that "JavaScript is evil for the user and therefore should not be used when avoidable". I discovered after a while that although you can replace JavaScrip…

Post by acconrad » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 2:56 PM UTC

nfriedly wrote: post #143

When I was hired on the Watson team, the first thing they asked me to do was help improve performance of their AngularJS-based website. It was all-around slow, especially for the initial page view. I stripped out AngularJS and most of the other JavaScript, and published a website that was almost pure static HTML. It loaded very quickly. My manager thought it was hilarious - his "JavaScript expert" came in and deleted…

Post by Roboprog » Wed, Oct 12, 2016, 3:42 PM UTC

agumonkey wrote: post #149

klodolph wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A large percentage of the "very skilled" developers I know will much sooner brag about how much code they deleted or didn't write than how much code they wrote.

That is already well known quality[1]. I find Parent work even deeper, he pivoted the whole thing to make his main skill a second class citizen because that's what it was to be in this context. [1] I regularly nerdgasm at LibreOffice releases reading how many thousands LoC they removed from the code base. ps: beside code golf, I think there should be a patch golf thing. Try the smallest changeset that fixes or add a…