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Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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With all due respect, Open Whisper Systems might ought first consider fixing Signal's multiplicate message problem, especially silent (to the sender) group chat spamming.

>multiplicate I'd never heard this word so I looked it up. Google didn't have a definition but merriam-webster was the first result. They showed me an extra concise definition and then this message... >Wait, there’s more! This word doesn't usually appear in our free dictionary, but we’ve shared just a bit of the information that appears in our premium Unabridged Dictionary. There’s more definition detail there. Start…

To the best of my knowledge, I've never heard the word "multiplicate" either, and I wouldn't have been surprised if there were no dictionary entry for it at all.

If you know the word "duplicate", though, you should be able to figure this one out.

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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Good point, the internet does make the upsell much much much more in-your-face.

It's more than that; I'm old enough to have carried a compact Spanish-English dictionary while traveling. An unabridged dictionary was heavy enough that you couldn't hold it in one hand. In other words, there used to be such a thing as 'too much dictionary'. Now, like any other information source, it's the size of my phone, except when it's the size of my laptop.

They still vary greatly in quality and (accordingly) price.I have several chinese/english dictionaries installed through Pleco (on my phone). With a couple exceptions, they're not free.

When I was taking a formal class in Mandarin, some classmates complained, "the definitions you're getting from Pleco are so much better than ours! What are you doing differently?" They lost interest when I responded "I paid for the better dictionaries".

Different dictionaries have different strengths. CC-CEDICT has entries for standard Chinese versions of western names, and for slang. Then again, it doesn't even have usage examples. ABC has many, many entries, including stuff like technical terms in linguistics. Tuttle Learners' has very few entries (it's a learners' dictionary!), but it does nice things like provide antonyms and, where it might be helpful, character-by-character glosses. Tuttle has my favorite entry for 糟糕 [a mess/very bad/bad luck], headed by "[modif: 糟 messy + 糕 cake]".

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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Now if they would drop the ridiculous requirement of having a phone number and go with usernames and not require access to my contact list like most other services, you could actually be safer and not rely on _their word_ alone.

What's more bothersome: If you withdraw access (after they've already scanned your contacts) they'll disable the app. That's why I deleted the app and won't use it again. If a privacy-focused app makes you nervous about privacy they've already lost the war, haven't they?

Seems reasonable that an app that's used for messaging my contacts has access to my contacts. What exactly are you nervous about?

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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Actually, Moxie has threatened to shut LibreSignal down if they allow LibreSignal users to message normal Signal users, and refused to even discuss alternative solutions. He also uses the GCM library from Google, which pulls in several analytics libraries into the APK, so "Using GCM doesn't make Signal less private." is objectively false. (And in addition to that, Moxie even refuses to allow any distribution that doe…

Downvoting this comment without offering a counterpoint is very bad etiquette. Can someone provide a counterargument? Otherwise it's just pretty much censorship.

I do not think "censorship" means what you think it means. Censorship would be moderators deleting something. Making claims without citations is fully in play to downvote.

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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> I still use Silent Circle for calls because it is so tiring to talk when the bitrate is low. To be fair, that's a high bar. Our (SC) phone guys are masters at optimizing audio quality. I would be extremely surprised if any other app (encrypted or not) had significantly better audio quality than Silent Phone.

Wire's audio quality is quite good, even on cellular and/or VPN. Haven't compared with Silent Circle.

I have to agree. Privacy is a right. It's not often you run into a free alternative that offer sync capabilities across all platforms and devices. You also have a way to restrict or remove access from unknown fingerprints. The only downside I see about Wire is that the option to "submit crash reports and usage data" is enabled by default but that's just an Advanced options visit away from disabling. Give Wire a try and give their white papers covering how they approach [1] privacy and [2] security a read.

[1] https://wire.com/resource/Wire%20Privacy%20Whitepaper/downlo... [2] https://wire.com/resource/Wire%20Security%20Whitepaper/downl...

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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As a Signal user, I've experienced this issue as well. I work around it by deleting the message, then re-sending it, but that's clunky.

I don't think that's the problem that jpt4 is talking about. I believe he is talking about how sometimes a group message will be received 20 times or more, and yet the sender will still see "message not sent" for some recipients.

That is the issue I'm referring to.

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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With the approach that Signal has taken, it doesn't require you to register a username. The app just registers you with the server as a Signal user using your already unique ID - your phone number. While not the most secure and privacy-protecting method, it allows anyone to just install it and start using it as a secure alternative to plaintext SMS.

Regarding SMS - it's not always an alternative to SMS since it uses data. I know data is more popular than SMS in many countries, but when you hit your monthly limit, you want to disable all data. Regarding the simplicity of using a phone number and how it would be very easy for all users - Wickr provides basically the same service, is more popular, but uses usernames instead of phone numbers. The fact that something…

Yes, I should clarify what I mean as an alternative to SMS. The experience on Android is quite nice as it will replace your default SMS app and will work similar to Messages on iOS where it will send using data via Signal if the other user is a Signal user or fallback to SMS if they aren't a SMS user. Unfortunately it's not as nice on iOS since Apple apparently doesn't allow Messages to be replaced as the default SMS app.

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's more bothersome: If you withdraw access (after they've already scanned your contacts) they'll disable the app. That's why I deleted the app and won't use it again. If a privacy-focused app makes you nervous about privacy they've already lost the war, haven't they?

Seems reasonable that an app that's used for messaging my contacts has access to my contacts. What exactly are you nervous about?

Only a small subset of people will be messaged with the app, it does not need access to the entire address book.

Re: Disappearing messages for Signal

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I love Signal and this seems to be a stab at Wickr since from what I've heard that is the reason people prefer it to Signal sometimes. Having said that, it has a couple of problems: 1. Images are downsampled without warning. There should be some sort of warning or mini info box for the times when the images are downsampled and there should be information about the changes in resolution. 2. If one uses it as the main…

It'd also be nice if the iOS or Chrome client had a chat history backup feature like they have on android. This is one of my biggest complaint with messaging apps in general. I'd like to be able to preserve and archive my chat history with people close to me.

What if the person you're chatting with does not want it archived? (I'm not questioning, but wondering what a protocol would be)
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