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Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by user5994461 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #38
user5994461 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Live in a tech hub and fill your linkedin profile. It doesn't guarantee 2-3 per emails per day, but a few per week is certainly achievable. You do need a few years of experience + some buzzwords.

> Live in a tech hub and fill in your linkedin profile. Done and done. > You do need a few years of experience + some buzzwords. 3.5 years. What buzzwords do I need? I just want to be able to find a job in a few weeks the next time I am looking. I don't think that's too much to ask. Edit: I misspoke; by "find a job in a few weeks," I meant "start getting interviews within a week or two." No amount of LinkedIn profile…

I was about to say you won't find a job with linkedin. At best, it just an indication of some potential companies in the area. Keep the list somewhere in your mind, you never know what could happen to your current job.

... and while I was writing this, I just received a message from a startup that raised 200M and want me to join one of their team of 3 known ex googlers on some hard industry problem. [How crazy. I applied there last year and they never replied]

Well nevermind, linkedin is awesome. Now that I think about it, I left my last job because of a lead from it. :D

If it doesn't work for you. You are not in a tech hub or you don't have a profile rare enough. What's your city? and link to your profile?

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by pmiller2 »

user5994461 wrote: post #61
pmiller2 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Live in a tech hub and fill in your linkedin profile. Done and done. > You do need a few years of experience + some buzzwords. 3.5 years. What buzzwords do I need? I just want to be able to find a job in a few weeks the next time I am looking. I don't think that's too much to ask. Edit: I misspoke; by "find a job in a few weeks," I meant "start getting interviews within a week or two." No amount of LinkedIn profile…

I was about to say you won't find a job with linkedin. At best, it just an indication of some potential companies in the area. Keep the list somewhere in your mind, you never know what could happen to your current job. ... and while I was writing this, I just received a message from a startup that raised 200M and want me to join one of their team of 3 known ex googlers on some hard industry problem. [How crazy. I app…

I currently work in San Francisco. Seems like the hubbiest hub currently hubbing, no? As for my profile, I don't know how rare I am. I'm an average developer who can actually program and write solid production code. I'm a widget... the kind of person companies claim they need but can't hire.

I don't blog, tweet, or use Facebook. Do I need to do those things to attract attention?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-miller-0383b741

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by user5994461 »

sotojuan wrote: post #53
gamedna wrote: post #36

My recent job search lead me to the idea that the traditional resume is broken. Temporal view only gives recruiters and hiring managers the bullet points to qualify you in whatever bucket that they need. Instead of a traditional CV/Resume, I went with a single page narrative approach with a link to the temporal view on my LinkedIn profile. Initially there was some pushback as the recruiters were bellyaching over the…

I haven't sent a resume in a while. Usually I just give a "cover letter" of sorts that says a) why I'm interested in the job b) what I can offer/why they "need" me, c) why I think so (usually just talk about experience). I have a website that lists my workplaces and my main projects and of course my GitHub, both of which I link. I guess that's my "resume".

Didn't send a cover letter in a while. I am surprised this practise still exists.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by user5994461 »

throwawayosiu1 wrote: post #51
sqeaky wrote: post #43

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Resumes are extremely easy to exaggerate or fabricate. I haven't seen fake github profiles yet (and I suspect they would be more trouble than they are worth). I am often brought in on the hiring process to vet peoples technical skills. I used to just try to ask questions in the hour or two I got with the person, this seemed no better than flipping a coin. Even if the person was honest and we were both talking about t…

Very recently, a close friend was looking for a job (as a junior dev - focused on web). After applying and getting rejected, we decided to try a different approach - he basically gave up and decided to the following: 1) added buzz keywords in his resume 2) hosted an instance of gitlab and took various open source projects (stuff that was not popular, but had enough polish), modified them and uploaded them. After a we…

> While he did get called out once, almost all engineers/non-tech hr didn't bother calling his bluff.

I see plenty of GitHub profiles that are filled with forked/starred projects from other people, and nothing of substance.

I don't bring it to the candidate because it is worthless and there are more interesting things to talk about. But that doesn't mean I didn't see it ;)

Actually I have never once in my life see a good github profile.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by ryandrake »

3pt14159 wrote: post #59
fecak wrote: post #52

As someone who reads and writes thousands of developer resumes a year, the major problem I see is that people have a difficult time separating what is important from what isn't, and separating day-to-day responsibilities (which are typically understood from a job title) from unique and novel achievements. I don't know if this kind of tool solves that problem. Much of my work with resume clients is extracting what the…

As I've gotten older my resumes have gotten shorter. The shortest resume is just your last name "Zuckerberg" or "Snowden". If you've achieved something impressive (sold a company, started a well known web framework, fixed some large horrible government or organizational process) it speaks for itself and the rest of it is just making sure you aren't a conartist, which an interview can easily handle.

When I'm writing my resume, I generally chop off all but the last 10 or so years of my career, and then chop off anything else that gets me down to one page. When I'm reading them, I simply toss all but the first page into the trash. Nobody reads past the first page anyway. If you can't fit your resume onto one page, that's a communication red flag--you're not skilled at summarizing. It indicates you may have trouble doing senior-y things like presenting to execs and discussing your work cross-functionally, both of which require the ability to distill the main points from the details.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

fecak wrote: post #60
3pt14159 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I've gotten older my resumes have gotten shorter. The shortest resume is just your last name "Zuckerberg" or "Snowden". If you've achieved something impressive (sold a company, started a well known web framework, fixed some large horrible government or organizational process) it speaks for itself and the rest of it is just making sure you aren't a conartist, which an interview can easily handle.

>As I've gotten older my resumes have gotten shorter. That's refreshing to hear. I hear too many people claiming "I have so much experience and accomplishments that I simply can't fit them all in under four pages". The problem there is just an inability to assess what is the most impressive or relevant experience. Many people do get emotionally attached to the work they've done. I've worked with people transitioning…

> I hear too many people claiming "I have so much experience and accomplishments that I simply can't fit them all in under four pages". The problem there is just an inability to assess what is the most impressive or relevant experience.

As someone who recently did some job hunting I will tell you that while I agree on an idealism level with your comment it's just simply not true in practice.

I had many, many companies outright reject my truncated resume even though it provided an outline of years of experience and some top accomplishments simply because it didn't include enough of the buzzwords they were looking for. Resubmitting with my longer, 5 page resume (which I absolutely hate doing)? Accepted. Every time.

I will say, however, that if you can apply directly to a person via email (the "Who's Hiring" HN posts are perfect for this, typically) then the shorter resume will work just fine.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by orliesaurus »

This would probably not be the most proud feature shipped to date (if I worked at SO). - It looks just average and does make use of the white space - It has this section where you "DISLIKE" technology? wtf really? - Who cares what you recommend as a book to read? This is a resume right, not your blog. - I somehow feel this is too leaderboard-y and not something i would use for a resume - but sure, it IS a cool thing to have if you're into StackOverflow (like a LOT), just not a resume..

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by codegeek »

pmiller2 wrote: post #62
user5994461 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was about to say you won't find a job with linkedin. At best, it just an indication of some potential companies in the area. Keep the list somewhere in your mind, you never know what could happen to your current job. ... and while I was writing this, I just received a message from a startup that raised 200M and want me to join one of their team of 3 known ex googlers on some hard industry problem. [How crazy. I app…

I currently work in San Francisco. Seems like the hubbiest hub currently hubbing, no? As for my profile, I don't know how rare I am. I'm an average developer who can actually program and write solid production code. I'm a widget... the kind of person companies claim they need but can't hire. I don't blog, tweet, or use Facebook. Do I need to do those things to attract attention? https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-mille…

One trick in Linkedin is to update your "Job Title" in your most recent job. That triggers something that premium recruiters can see. I cannot back this with certainty but have seen this work for my own profile a few times.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by thaumasiotes »

3pt14159 wrote: post #59
fecak wrote: post #52

As someone who reads and writes thousands of developer resumes a year, the major problem I see is that people have a difficult time separating what is important from what isn't, and separating day-to-day responsibilities (which are typically understood from a job title) from unique and novel achievements. I don't know if this kind of tool solves that problem. Much of my work with resume clients is extracting what the…

As I've gotten older my resumes have gotten shorter. The shortest resume is just your last name "Zuckerberg" or "Snowden". If you've achieved something impressive (sold a company, started a well known web framework, fixed some large horrible government or organizational process) it speaks for itself and the rest of it is just making sure you aren't a conartist, which an interview can easily handle.

> the rest of it is just making sure you aren't a conartist, which an interview can easily handle

I would have thought that if there was one thing an interview was not suited to do, it would be detecting con artists. Isn't passing interviews their only core skill?

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by pmiller2 »

codegeek wrote: post #68
pmiller2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I currently work in San Francisco. Seems like the hubbiest hub currently hubbing, no? As for my profile, I don't know how rare I am. I'm an average developer who can actually program and write solid production code. I'm a widget... the kind of person companies claim they need but can't hire. I don't blog, tweet, or use Facebook. Do I need to do those things to attract attention? https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-mille…

One trick in Linkedin is to update your "Job Title" in your most recent job. That triggers something that premium recruiters can see. I cannot back this with certainty but have seen this work for my own profile a few times.

I'm not sure if it's just your most recent job title or any update that triggers that, but I did get significantly more views when I was actually looking and did trivial updates on my profile every couple of days. I wouldn't necessarily want to signal that I was looking to my current employer or coworkers though. I'm aware you can turn the "notify your network of profile changes" setting off, but I wonder if it's a wise thing to do.

And, all that twiddling of one's profile seems like a stupid thing that I'm reasonably sure people generally don't do. Maybe I just need to write a bot to automate it.

Sigh. I don't know how to LinkedIn. :P

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